Initials vs full name

[J-C]

Is it part of ANSI standard to put the initials in the title block? That is what we have traditionally done but are considering using full names of the engineers and drafters. If ANSI doesn't specify, what would be the pros/cons of doing this?

Jason

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[ctopher]

OK, then if you think it "is" a legal document, it needs actual signatures. ;-)

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[SwinnyGG]

My employee number is an electronic signature, and is applied as such by our PDM system.

So are the numbers of whoever checks and approves my drawings or my people's drawings.

 

[J-C]

Well I guess the number works ok in a smaller environment however we have 600+ PDM users, numbers would make me very unpopular.

Jason

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[SwinnyGG]

Why?

If everyone has a unique number, what's the problem?

In 600+ users, given that there's a lot of commonality as far as which letters start names, I've got to believe you probably have a lot of shared initial sets, and more than a few shared first/last combinations.

 

[ctopher]

If the industry uses engineers that are certified nuclear or other type of professional that uses stamps or ?, the number will not work.

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[J-C]

If I sent prints to the shop floor with numbers for created, engineered, last changed on a document, they'd hang me.

Jason

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[SwinnyGG]

If the industry uses engineers that are certified nuclear or other type of professional that uses stamps or ?, the number will not work.

We do it. The PE stamps don't have employee numbers, just the drawing title block.

 

[ctopher]

You have been audited and this is accepted?

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[SwinnyGG]

You have been audited and this is accepted?

I'm curious why you think it wouldn't be...

 

[ctopher]

Curious because I have never been in the industries with PE's using numbers.
Have you passed audits using numbers?

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[CWB1]

One purpose is, if they have an issue on the manufacturing floor, they know who the engineer is, and thus who to call with questions.

Title block signatures don't tell you any of that. They simply tell you who WAS responsible for the print at one or more given points in time, not who IS currently the design control nor who WILL be answering the shop's questions. If there's a problem on the shop floor that the manufacturing engineer can't handle they need to take the 30 seconds to open PLM and find the current design control. In small companies that might be an engineer. In large companies where an entire department is responsible for a given part type or size, the design control is a manager who will often assign issues to whomever is available.

Stamping prints happens regardless of what is/isnt in the title block.

 

[SwinnyGG]

Yes.

The employee number is separate from the stamp, and is the equivalent of an electronic signature.

 

[ctopher]

I don't know. To me, I see using the employee number is another easy way out of accountability.

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[SwinnyGG]

that's pretty strange to me.

The employee number is unique and unambiguous- much less ambiguous than using initials in a large organization where overlap is almost guaranteed. It is more robust from an accountability standpoint than using initials would be.

 

[MintJulep]

How is a number topped in any different than a name our initial typed in?

It's not.

Traceability and accountability must be assured by business process.

 

[ctopher]

I will have to look into this more. I'm rewriting our procedures in implementing our new PDM.
I will pass on this info to our new team. Thanks.

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