NOOOOOO NX9 use ribbon interface 30

[Toost]

John; I saw that in the NX10 Beta, this is a 100% improvement to the NX9 which is , apart from the mentioned "old menu" rather impossible to use. I spent say 5 minutes yesterday looking for the WCS options before i discovered the "menu".
(I wish you guys could do a backport of this to NX9 ... NX10 is years away for us.)


Regards,
Tomas

 

[cachenout]

OK, can some one please post how to get the old menus back?

I use NX seldom and I don't want to relearn it until I have to. (Besides, by the time they get rid of the old menus the new ones will have changed 3 times.

Dan

 

[Rob_N]

under Menu-> Preferences-> User Interface-> Layout tab. check Classic toolbars.

Though I recommend spending an hour and getting used to Ribbon. it's worth it.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Just so that we're all clear on this, NX 10.0 will be the last release to support the old Windows-style 'multiple toolbar' (AKA 'Classic tollbars') user interface.

John R. Baker, P.E.
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Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
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[cowski]

If you are familiar with the menus, you'll be glad to know they are still available (albeit in a drop down type format rather than the old style).

www.nxjournaling.com

 

[vegetagaru]

so without ribbon bar in full screen i have the toolbars bar @ bottom (like in Nx8.5) when i switch to ribon bar the toolbar of tollbars disapear and appears like a drop-down @ top, i already saw someone working with the toolbar bar (ribbon) in bottom like the "classic view" how can i do it ?


NX8.5 - NX9 User

 

[Jugster]

I do really dislike the ribbon a better word is H8 it... and almost the whole office is united with disliking it....

Getting the classic menu...
Preferences -> user interface -> Layout ->Classic menu

The classic is a real useful....I am very sad...They are changin something that is not broken...
This is quite upsetting...

And almost all the places I have been use dual screen...and most of the larger screens are digital TV's converted to monitors....I disagree with the argument about managing real estate, Unless you have the icons text below icon Icon switched on....in that case i will reserve my comments for off line...

 

[capnhook]

That's the fundamental problem with the ribbon interface, you spend more time searching for functions that used to have quasi-permanent locations. Now they are hidden all over the place.

Not impressed.

Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community..

[green]To the Toolmaker, your nice little cartoon drawing of your glass looks cool, but your solid model sucks. Do you want me to fix it, or are you going to take all week to get it back to me so I can get some work done?[/green]

 

[JohnRBaker]

First lesson: 'Command Finder'.

Second lesson: When you use the 'Command Finder' there's an option to add the newly found function, if it's not already on the Ribbon, to the current Ribbon tab.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
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[Toost]

the command finder is a very good thing in itself, but it's similar to handing out gas masks to the people next to the leaking propane tank, you cure the smell but...

 

[SDETERS]

Keyboard commands are a slick way to remove dependency on any user interface. I use the keyboard 80 percent of my commands. I only have to deal with the icons 20% of the time. This is why I was happy with the new accelerator key commands used for dimensions for drafting. You can modify layouts but the commands stay the same.

 

[phillpd]

The Command Finder is a great tool I have to admit, but surely Siemens shouldn't be promoting it as the "answer" to the inadequacies of the Ribbon UI.

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[JohnRBaker]

The 'Command Finder' is simply part of an overall 'system'. After all, it was much appreciated by people long before the Ribbon interface was introduced (the 'Command Finder' was first implemented in NX 5.0.2, which was released eight years ago).

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
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Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[ARZinAZ]

Command finder is all well and good, but its always been a needed function since Siemens or the Ideas guys never put any real value (thought) in having any OOTB Roles configuration that made sense.

As far back as NX2, did anyone ever complain that all the same functions any user might want in any of the following applications, (Modeling, Drafting Sheet Metal, ETC) like, Layer, Curves, WCS, Object display, Measure Distance, Measure Angle, and a ton of other function, notice that (even in) the OOTB roles are in different locations for each applications. What idiot thought it would be a good idea to put the layers button in a different location for each applications (same goes for a ton of other functions that are not application specific).

I have always been the guy, where ever I worked that shared my roles the new guys (and a good majority of the existing group) that make sense, and I'm not even the IT or UG support guy.

All of the functions that are the same for any application, I place across the top, and any that are application specific I place on the left (I prefer the resource bar "ant" on the right, like it was way back in version 11 circa 1994). Also I place the Cue/Status at the top. I have used Unigraphics since 1992, and have always loved every change until NX5. For some reason they took a whole bunch of standard things and ditched decades of muscle memory that I still cant change from (anybody remember "Select" "Entry Complete" "reject", why in NX3-4 did they think it would be a good idea to ditch the functionality of middle mouse key for select/accept, in the multi select dialogue. Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating bring back the PFK, but when UGII V9 went to V10, it made sense to revise the UI especially since the PFK was going away. But even the change of "action object" to either/or "object action" or "action object" IMO is/was a bad idea, since there is no standardization to what works and what does not from function to function.

Obviously Siemens must think that Microsoft is really so wonderful that they MUST copy their UI. How long before they tackle the UI and functionality of Windows 8 with the huge kindergarten tiles, and the relocation of everything (just for the sake of change). I can name dozens of things they should have fixed before they decided to change where you find the buttons.

I personally will not be switching to the ribbon until I have to. Changing something so major as this just to compete with (look like) Solidworks, and all the other CAD systems is a horrible idea.

I would like to see a reply of all the users here that use NX9+, and whether they prefer the ribbon and how long they have been using Unigraphics (NX). Also, how many hours a day do you use NX, and did you previously prefer using the drop downs or selecting using the buttons.

I have used Unigraphics at least 40 hours a week since 1993.
I prefer the buttons to the drop down menus, I have always been very rigorous about the placement of buttons and not duplicating them and not using buttons that change every time you use them, and above all else, making sure each application has the button that is not application specific in the exact same place from application to application.
As stated before, I will be sticking with the (so called) classic menu until I cannot any longer.

 

[NutAce]

I have been using NX for 15 years now starting from Unigraphics v15.
I like the new ribbon style as it gives much more capabilities in managing my buttons. You can get a lot more buttons (dropdown menus) in the same space compared to the old interface.
Not using NX the whole day for 5 days a week but I am the Application Specialist who is responsible for maintaining our NX environment. I do have 10 years of "End User" Experience.

I do admit it takes some time getting used to and for those who are commenting they will only switch when it is neccesary I would say, why not start experimenting with it already?
If you wait until you have no choice anymore than it will be much harder to get used to.


Ronald van den Broek
Application Specialist
Winterthur Gas & Diesel Ltd
NX8.5.3 / TC9.1.2
HPZ420 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1620 0 @ 3.60GHz, 32 Gb Win7 64B
Nvidea Quadro4000 2048MB DDR5
HP EliteBook 8570W Intel(R) Core(TM) I7-3740QM CPU @ 2.70GHz, 16Gb Win7 64B

 

[Jugster]

The cost of productivity of present employees seems to be a mute point to Siemens...."the old menu being phased out" I agree with ARZinAZ (Mechanical)I dislike the ribbon..

It may be due to the laying of numerous windows programmers who love the ribbon being layed off from the most sucessful software company "Microsoft cuts 'hundreds' in last wave of planned 18,000 layoffs"

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-cuts-hundreds-in-last-wave-of-planned-18000-layoffs/....

They are cheap...and of course nobody has had the blue screen of death while running the new NX9 so far in my department everybody has had the blue screen some more then once a week...LOL Windows..

It must be the that windows approach to computing..

Please note...
John R. Baker, is a very good guy....and a nx God..."BUT USE COMMAND FINDER" for all the solutions comment does hurt...make me feel unintelligent or I'm simpleminded, child like...
I have been using NX for over 23 years...

I hope they keep the old menu

 

[Rob_N]

I've been running UG since V15. 40-70 hours a week.

I like the new Ribbon. For me its a lot easier to personalize.

I upgrade almost every release so I don't lose but a few hours of productivity upon new releases. We are not dependent on other companies upgrade schedules. If we're paying $6000 or so a year to keep support and stay on Maintenance; I'm going to use it.

I'm the odd duck it seems, I like to be on the bleeding edge and crave change.
From what I can tell most CAD/CAM people hate versioning up.


Edited to add.
I've never had a BSOD while running any version of NX. I cannot recall the last BSOD I've had as a matter of fact. I've been on Windows7 for about 4 years.

 

[randomdrafter]

Able to test NX 10.0.1. Liked it a lot , slick minimalistic design at least from User interface and gives a feeling of using a browser. Should have been even better if text below icons were hidden.

Hope some day we can get NX in browser/cloud etc ; )

 

[SDETERS]

Randomdrafter have you checked out OnShape yet? By the same People who originally developed Solidworks?

 

[JohnRBaker]

When using NX 10.0 there is no reason why you can't remove the text from below ANY icon. Just open the Customize dialog, select the icon of interest, press MB3 and you'll find all the options that you need to control both the size and the text status for that icon.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.