I'm right out of engineering college and have been challenged with the task of routing interconnecting piping for a pharmaceutical grade plant (module design of skids).
Armed with Quickpen's Pipedesigner 3D and P&ID's, I have to come up with a complete plant piping within weeks.
I've picked up a thing or two from this forum, brainstorming within my team and general reading. I have to admit though, I have more questions than answers. To give you an example of some of the basic questions I had/have were -
*Should I run N-S piping at a set elevation and E-W piping at another elevation (say 24" lower)
* Now, I have SS piping that starts in the N-S direction (pipe rack) and then runs in the E-W direction (to a tank, say) . If the N-S AND the E-W piping is sloped at 1/8" per foot why don't they make an elbow at 89.4 degrees or 90.6 degrees (and other odd angles)... I thought about that one for days and came up with the solution that the piping is going to have to 'flex' and instead of pre-fabricating the piece, I'll have to leave a spool piece or two for a field fit based on the 'give' of this BP fitting.
As you can see, all my questions are basic-basic with their solutions (basic logic) being more basic. I'd appreciate any thumb rules you can share with me and also point me in the right direction as far as resources go (seminars, books, classes, etc.). It seems I'm trying to rediscover the 'art' of piping, routing, plant layout when someone else has probably thought through it over the years already.
So even though the rule says don't type in this as your descriptive, I'm going to anyways...HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP !!!!
Thanks in advance for your time and help,
Ragz
Armed with Quickpen's Pipedesigner 3D and P&ID's, I have to come up with a complete plant piping within weeks.
I've picked up a thing or two from this forum, brainstorming within my team and general reading. I have to admit though, I have more questions than answers. To give you an example of some of the basic questions I had/have were -
*Should I run N-S piping at a set elevation and E-W piping at another elevation (say 24" lower)
* Now, I have SS piping that starts in the N-S direction (pipe rack) and then runs in the E-W direction (to a tank, say) . If the N-S AND the E-W piping is sloped at 1/8" per foot why don't they make an elbow at 89.4 degrees or 90.6 degrees (and other odd angles)... I thought about that one for days and came up with the solution that the piping is going to have to 'flex' and instead of pre-fabricating the piece, I'll have to leave a spool piece or two for a field fit based on the 'give' of this BP fitting.
As you can see, all my questions are basic-basic with their solutions (basic logic) being more basic. I'd appreciate any thumb rules you can share with me and also point me in the right direction as far as resources go (seminars, books, classes, etc.). It seems I'm trying to rediscover the 'art' of piping, routing, plant layout when someone else has probably thought through it over the years already.
So even though the rule says don't type in this as your descriptive, I'm going to anyways...HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP !!!!
Thanks in advance for your time and help,
Ragz
but rather pricey reference book is the Piping Handbook, 6th edition, edited by M. L. Nayyar and published by McGraw Hill ,1992, IBSN 0 07 046881 8, (this book is an update of a classic reference which was originally written by R.C. King and S. Crocker; if you could find an old 5th edition of this handbook (on the internet as a used book) you would find excellent writing on pipe stress analysis by John Brock, including some wonderful historical information. One other standard reference (it does not address stress analysis but is a good reference for design) that is found in nearly all piping design firms is "The Piping Guide" by D.R. Sherwood and D.J. Whistance - ISBN 0-914-08219-1 (Syentek, PO Box 26588, San Francisco, California 94126). The "Piping Guide" is commonly used is community colleges for teaching layout and good practice. Piping Design for Process Plants, by H. F. Rase (Library of Congress Card Number 63-17483) is a good practical guide but not very deep in theory or technical background. It is still available through several book sellers (e.g., AMAZON.COM). The Seventh Edition of the Grinnell Book, Piping Design and Engineering, has recently been released and can be had by contacting your Grinnell representative ( you will pay either $100.00 or nothing for the book depending upon your relationship with your Grinnell Rep.). This book is useful but by no means as technical as the "Kellogg Book" Also, the methods shown for hanger sizing are not as accurate as a computer model. The "Kellogg Book" - "Design of Piping Systems" is, of course, out of print. The last issue was the "revised Second Edition" which was published after 1977 (ISBN 0 471 46795 2, Library of Congress Card Number 56-5573). About 50 percent of the book is obsolete and of only historical interest to the practical piping Engineer. The other 50 percent of the book is useful even today and provides good background information. I have seen the book listed on at least one used technical books site but I cannot remember where I saw it. It should be out there as a used technical book because a lot of them were sold. "Process Plant Layout and Piping Design", by Ed Bausbacher and Roger Hunt (IBSN 0 7913 0543 5 ), originally by Auerbach Publishers )it might be published somewhere else now), 1990, might be useful to you but, because it is pricey, I recommend finding a copy in a library and looking it over before you buy. I have seen some advertising for seminars of between 3 and 5 days duration which are done by Mr. Ed Bausbacher (who is the author of the book "Process Plant Layout and Design"
