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Question regarding situation involving split case pump and cavitation 6

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PumpDude

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Feb 5, 2004
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I have 6 single stage split case pumps in a chiller system. Half on the evaporator side and half on the condenser side. All pumps are identical in construction and configuration, i.e. impeller diameter, speed, motor hp, etc. One set pulls water directly from a cooling tower through what has been assessed as a excellent design according to HI standards. (more than 10 pipe diameters from the pump suction to the elbow/side outlet T, eccentric reducer with flat side up, etc.) The other set of 3 has the same plumbing configuration on the suction side and only has two differences from the other. On the discharge plumbing an orifice plate has been added to add head and the water supply is from the discharge plumbing of another system. I am experiencing the same problem with these NEW pumps. All exhibit cavitation and after pulling the top of one of the pumps I am finding circular pitting (appears to be hit with a ball peen hammer....and I am being told by the mfg these pumps are not cavitating!!!!!!!)on the volute on both sides of the split leading up the the eyes of the impeller on the suction side. The discharge side as well as the impeller itself shows no damage. There also appears to be a small amount of "blow by" between the case/volute and casing wear rings (lending to the theory of internal recirculation). I have only pulled one top but all pumps had the same sound signature and vibrations plot. We choked the discharge from wide open to nearly completely closed with little to no change in the sound or vibrations. The pump we inspected the internals on was sent to the mfg. and tested in their lab to no avail. We provided all of the current operating parameters and it appears they were close on most, except the plumbing on the suction side. They have stated they heard none of the noise and supplied vibrations data showing nothing like we found in the field. The differences in the suction plumbing was that we have an isolation (butterfly) valve, then a check valve, then an expansion joint, the reducer up to the suction flange of the pump. They had what appeared to be an approx. 6 foot run of pipe from an elbow into the suction of the pump. Prior to the elbow was their isolation valve. Having not repeated our symptoms in the lab they began offering opinions on why this is happening in the field. We have discussed and dismissed NPSH issues and suction plumbing design faults. We have also discussed disolved oyxgen, entrained air, internal recirculation and flow vortices. We are currently waiting on an analysis on the fluid and I will post those results. I appologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to convey all that we have done and found so far. I am hoping that some one out there has had this happen and can tell me what was done to alleviate it. We are getting nothing from the pump mfg. and the rest of us (rep from the distributor, pump engineers from my home office, myself and personnel here on site) continue to "scratch our heads" in frustration. Thanks in advance for taking the time to provide me with whatever insight you can.
 
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PumpDude

Do you have a way to lower the rotating speed (1750 RPM)? Low rotating speed means lower NPSHr. If you are only operating at 60 some percent of BEP by slowing the pumps some you will lower the NPSHr and increase pump efficiency.

Just so you know I doubt having a check valve on the suction side of the pump is a good idea, but I have never worked with chiller applications. The check valve will restrict flow on the suction. When the pump shuts down it could cause a possible airlock. Depending on your system a suction side check valve could possibly place high pressure on the pump housing and seals when the pump shuts down.

The other thing I’ve noticed is that the manufacture claims this is not Cavitation, but you state it looks like someone hit it with a ball peen hammer. I would recommend that you get accurate flow rates and head produced (dP) so you can calculate the actual pump efficiency. If you compare the actual pump efficiency to the manufactures predicted efficiency it will tell you if you are getting a higher than normal “recirculation” inside the pump. An abnormally high amount of recirculation could cause your problem.

Just a few ideas, hope they help!
 
Just a quick note.....got the dissolved oxygen test data back.

8 parts per million. It is the same as all of the cooling towers on site as well and none of the other pumps are cavitating.

Talked to a guy and he said that 9 ppm is the beginning of the "red flag" zone for dissolved oxygen....I am not certain I buy this.

Anyway...have a great day and thanks again for ALL the fabulous input.
 
PumpDude,
It is good to have one more item nailed down about the possible dissolved oxygen.
That got me to thnking about possible air pulled into outlet piping of cooling towers by vortexing. Hydraulic Institute standards have guidelines for vertical submerged pumps and suction bells, in regard to submergence, separation between walls and inlets, etc. Is there enough space or baffles for calming the rundown of cooling tower?
Of course, it doesn't explain the problem at the downstream three pumps, unless entrained air is carried along throughout the system.
 
PumpDude,
If O2 is high, any affect from that would be exacerbated by incipient cavitation.
I have reference studies showing that cavitation enhances oxidation affects by removing oxide/passivation layer constantly exposing new metal to oxidation.

PUMPDESIGNER
 
Uh Oh, Thrust calcs were off in my post, made a wrong entry.
Revised cals are:
740 lbs. @ BEP
1,909 lbs. @ 50% BEP
2,295 lbs. @ Shut Off.

Still a serious problem. If those pumps operate at even 25% below BEP the radial thrust is about 1200 lbs, like laying 15 - 80 lb. bags of concrete onto the pump shaft.

PUMPDESIGNER
 
Pumpdesigner
Think you meant the thrust calc. for your seawater enquiry.

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