Self Esteem 3

[imok2]

What advice can I give to the young people today that I believe can help them live a better life because it is based on my experience. I barley graduated high school because I found it boring but I stayed in because I loved playing baseball and football. When I graduated I really had no real life skills but I did have a lot of self esteem because I was quite good in athletics. I went to work at Douglas Aircraft and was put to work making form blocks and stretch dies within a month I was quite good at it. Within three months I joined the Marine Corps and I loved boot camp and the discipline of it all. I was assigned to Marine Corps Base, 29 Palms CA. 1st AAA-AW Battalion for the next 21 months. While there the Battalion decided to hold a competitive event consisting of setups, pushups run the 440, fire the grease gun, 50 Cal machine gun, the Browning automatic rifle, and get a rifle grenade in a 55 gal drum from 50 yards out. I told a friend I was going to win that in my class (Private and PFC) I did win in my class and was designated “Outstanding Individual Marine”. They gave me a medal and my name was engraved on a trophy Plaque to be maintained in the administration office. I never went to see It! From there I got out, learned Refrigeration and Air Conditioning eventually went to work for the County of Los Angeles where I worked my way up from a service mechanic to Application Engineer to Supervisor To the Highest technical Position of Craft head of Steamfitters and Refrigeration fitters I acquired three degrees along the way with honors was a member of Local# 250, U.A.. I tell you this not to brag but to let you know It was a result of self-esteem (a belief in yourself) I found this on the web:

Self-esteem is defined as “belief in oneself” or “undue pride in oneself” (Webster’s Third New International Dictionary,1986). It is also a student’s awareness that he or she is a
person of worth or value simply because he or she is a human being. Self-esteem is recognizing that because one is treated with respect by others, one is worthy of respect. Finally, it is
a sense of self-confidence resulting from successful completion of attempted tasks. Do yourself a favor, just believe you can and you will succeed>

 

[melone]

Whether you think you can or you can't, you are correct.

 

[TheTick]

There are plenty of people who think they can but they can not. A trip to Guitar Center on a Saturday afternoon will prove that.

 

[TheTick]

 

[apsix]

"It was a result of self-esteem" and a healthy dose of ability.
Part of self-esteem is not to let failures destroy you. Learn your limitations.

 

[EngJW]

Mr. Tick, I like your poster. We also have a GC here but I always go to the local drum shop, because it is such a pleasure to deal with people who are honest and really know what they are doing.

 

[thruthefence]

http://www.drumjokes.com/

 

[casseopeia]

I love the drum jokes. I've dated two drummers. You'd think I'd learn after the first one.

But my favorite joke on the list is the NY drummer who goes to Greece. (I won't spoil the punchline)

If I am belly dancing to live drum music, one of my instructions is "Chiftitelli is OK, but don't break out any of that Greek sh!t unless you're prepared to yell out the time signature two measures ahead 7/8, 9/8, 11/8..."

"If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!"

 

[KENAT]

I have to agree that in my career so far I've encountered more people that had too much self esteem, if not out right arrogance, than too little.

However, imok2, if it worked for you good on ya.


KENAT,

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[proetools]

Keep Learning. Its that simple. When I am sixty years old ... i want to learn like I am 18 still.

Bart Brejcha Chicago
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[imok2]

Tick, are you joshing with me or did you miss the point. Please don't tell me to explain!

 

[IRstuff]

But, the ones with the low self-esteem, you probably wouldn't remember "encountering," because they have a tendency to take on the air of the surrounding furniture.

It's a bit more than just learning from your mistakes, it's learning NOT TO FEAR your mistakes. What many people learn from their mistakes is to not risk making their next mistake, and that's when they turn into wallpaper.

To rip from Jim Morrison, "Break on through to the other side." As with the trite, "No Pain, No Gain," you have to risk the pain of rejection, making mistakes, etc., to achieve some level of success.

TTFN

FAQ731-376

 

[MadMango]

There is a fine line between arrogance and confidence. You don't build confidence without making and learning from a few mistakes. You also can't foster "self-esteem" in someone by giving them something easy to achieve, since there is little risk. Successfully overcoming the greater risk is the foundation of confidence.

 

[KENAT]

IRstuff, I considered that, then thought about the people I've worked with and still think I've known more overconfident people than under.

That said, my manager claims I'm too humble (I know some of you may not believe based on my posts etc.) so perhaps with that perspective some people that are in the 'sweet spot' seem arrogant.

KENAT,

Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:

http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm?

 

[TheTick]

"Arrogant" is a term used by mediocrities to describe those who rise above.

 

[Zapster]

The only good losers are those that are used to losing.

There is only one place that count and that is first place.

Second place only make you the first loser across the finish line.

Winning is not everything, it is the only thing.

Hardly the type saying that builds self-esteem unless you come in first place. I know when I was growing up, my Dad would tell me that losing sucks so get back in the game and get better. A lot of this self-esteem crap is just liberal mumble jumble from educators and shrinks, such that they don’t want to damage a kid’s/person’s delicate psychic.

However, everyone motivations are different. Some folks you need to motivate with a compliment and others with a big stick. No there is common theme here for encouragement. So I disagree that a high self esteem is necessarily a good thing. Violent criminals often have a very high self esteem and react inappropriately when their undue self esteem is threatened.

In conclusion, there is nothing wrong with being down on yourself and questioning your worth. It often is a motivation for improving ones self. Don’t fall into the trap that everyone is motivated by the same things that you are. Isn’t diversity a wonderful thing?

 

[KENAT]

Awesome Tick, that's so pretentious, obnoxious and objectionable that I'm surprised it didn't get worked into our all hands meeting today.

KENAT,

Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:

http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm?

 

[ciflovi]

I CAN - Confidence.

ONLY I can - Arrogance.

I dont think there is a thin line. I see a very thick line.

if some one does not say the work 'only I' then Tick's definition suits perfectly.

 

[oldfieldguy]

Tick--

Thanks, buddy! That one made it to the corner of the whiteboard in my office upon which I write inspirational sayings!

old field guy

 

[moltenmetal]

Our working definition here for arrogance is caring more about being right personally than about getting the correct result. That kind of arrogance interferes with job performance, learning etc. A certain amount of humility is, by definition, required for learning to be possible.

Confidence which extends beyond competence is also extremely undesirable, but this character flaw seems to be distinct from arrogance.