Since I know you all love walking columns.. 14

[MIStructE_IRE]

I see this proposed at 457m tall in Manhattan..

With sway problems already apparent in some of the supertalls.. lifts not working in the wind, creaking noises, bath tubs sloshing around.. why would anyone want the hassle of designing this?!

 

[OHIOMatt]

3DDave, that basket building is near my hometown. There are actually some pretty interesting engineering challenges with it. That does not make up for the eye sore that it is. Probably why it has sat vacant for so long.

 

[kingnero]

I wouldn't want to live/work downwind of that building... Especially if the main wind direction is towards the right side of that pic...

 

[BridgeSmith]

Engineering aside, I think the biggest problem they would have with it is that it doesn't look stable. I remember discussing in one of my architectural design classes a building in Mexico City that had the upper floors bigger than the first floor. Not by alot, just enough so that the sidewalk around the building was covered by the upper floors. Many people were hesitant to go into the building until they put faux columns around the perimeter.

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

 

[dauwerda]

So is the proposed building in the OP that way for the sole purpose of being different and unique? Or, is it something like the Citicorp building in New York where they have to work around some existing structures at the base but are free to use the air space above?

 

[blihpandgeorge]

There is no doubt a financial aspect that this design will realise with more floor area at upper levels etc but this is just makin a developer richer and not the community. I bet they will also say it is 'sustainable' somehow ignoring the fact it has %% more structure than an equivalent floor area building.

The final design of this isn't engineering it is just calculation.

 

[Trenno]

Shall we start investing in PT tendons for the city-side elevation?

 

[kingnero]

Engineering aside, I think the biggest problem they would have with it is that it doesn't look stable. I remember discussing in one of my architectural design classes a building in Mexico City that had the upper floors bigger than the first floor. Not by alot, just enough so that the sidewalk around the building was covered by the upper floors. Many people were hesitant to go into the building until they put faux columns around the perimeter.

This is the first time that the psychological aspect of structural work is that dominant for me, see my previous reply. BridgeSmith hit the nail on the head.
I have no problem walking on glass floors at great height, because I trust the design. Weird bridges, large cantilevers, and so on, and so on. I trust in most cases the design, because (even as a mechanical) I deal a lot with structural work and I have a general grasp of concept of the design.

But I have to agree that this just doesn't look right, even though I'm sure it can be made to work out.
We had a thread with an exceptionally large horizontal cantilevered building some months ago, even that one looked more "right" than this abomination.

 

[ACtrafficengr]

25 Oct 21 17:40
I remember discussing in one of my architectural design classes a building in Mexico City that had the upper floors bigger than the first floor.

This one is gone now, but I remember being there as a kid. There was an ice cream stand on the top. I got a cone, walked over to the edge, and watched the scoop fall off the cone and splat several stories below.

My glass has a v/c ratio of 0.5

Maybe the tyranny of Murphy is the penalty for hubris. -

http://xkcd.com/319/

 

[phamENG]

Ah, the old St. Pete Pier. I grew up in St. Pete and loved going out there. Took my prom date to the formal restaurant on the top floor. The new park is nice, but I haven't been out to the new pier. Looks like an abomination from a distance. Maybe I'll take the time to check it out at Thanksgiving this year...

 

[BridgeSmith]

The one in Mexico City I mentioned was a high-rise of 25+ stories, if I remember correctly.

Rod Smith, P.E., The artist formerly known as HotRod10

 

[McSEpllc]

I think of modern architecture as 'trying hard to look simple'. And structurally those are actually quite more difficult.
There is a long history and reasons why things are done more conventionally, even though it is like 'putting lipstick on a pig' from a modern architects point of view. I don't mind working on the challenging projects, as long as I get paid accordingly, and I would not mind for us to get credit once in a while.

https://www.sbp.de/fileadmin/sbp.de/News/180516_Schoenbuchturm_03.JPG

 

[dauwerda]

So what is the building that is shown in one of the adds in the new issue of "Structure"?

https://www.structuremag.org/?page_id=18879

(page 5)

 

[MJB315]

Yeah, humans hate uncertainty and anxiety - so why a design a building to generate both?

"We shape our buildings, thereafter they shape us." -WSC