Texas power issues. Wind farms getting iced up (Part II)... 38

[LittleInch]

Is there any update on what happened to all those super high electricity bills?

Have they been cancelled or??

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[Alistair_Heaton]

Still ongoing from what I can tell.

They are in the position now that they are demanding payment from the cooperatives for what their consumers have used but then are refusing to pay the generation side of things what they are owed for what they produced. Some of the cooperatives are saying we will just cancel things so you don't owe us anything apart from our surplus production and we will deal with billing our own consumers at what ever rate we decide.

But apparently they are not having that they want every consumer to pay the rate and then when they get the money they will pay for production.

Loads of company's going bankrupt or chapter 11.

 

[dik]

is it happening 'all over' or only in Texas?

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Don't know, Stuff just appears in my news feed after this thread and looking at it.

99% of it is from Texas but that could just be the news feed algorithm. In some ways it looks a bigger mess than when it started with all the political bum covering and movements. What does seem obvious though is that they want the consumers to pay if they were contracted for it. And there are going to do there upmost to make sure nothing changes to the way they run it and regulate it. Apart from maybe extract cash out of the off grid and self powering consumers.

 

[Fischstabchen]

FacEngEE,

Power factor correction by a synchronous condenser is usually only done if it needs to be high speed for transient stability or if a motor or generator is just sitting there unused. For power factor correction, it is extremely expensive in comparison to capacitor banks. Utilities don't like synchronous condensers even though they are cheaper than solid state FACTS devices because they aren't a single point of failure and don't have moving parts. Inside plants, they are used this way far more often than on the transmission system but that is just because of having motors that are tied to an idle or dead process.

 

[1503-44]

Think that last post missed the intended forum.

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[1503-44]

Hydrates in gas gathering pipelines are a good part of it..
What really happened.


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[Alistair_Heaton]

whoa 1 week costing the same as 4.5 years for wholesale energy providers.

 

[1503-44]

The worst were some Griddy customers. They got 20 year bills.

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[cranky108]

One thing I was always told, read the contract. Even more so after I heard one computer game company had a statement in there contract that they would recieve your everlasting soul.

On the other hand, the customers should not have been sold such open ended contracts.

Let them fight it out in court, and the political system.

On the third hand, utilities are being pushed into DER's and that technology is not fully developed, or tested to the extent that they can be modeled correctly.
So I believe it is right that the utilities would be angry at the DER's that are not available when they are needed.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

how likely is it that the end consumer will get out of paying it?

I think in the UK the courts would very quickly null and void the contract but I wouldn't be surprised in the USA if it held them to it.

 

[LittleInch]

Yes, caveat emptor may rule in the US, difficult to say.

Most places have regulations and law precedence saying you can't expect an average consumer to be aware of the risk they are taking unless it is spelt out in big bright flashing letters and even then I don't think anyone would sign up to a contract where the potential impact was a 9000% increase or whatever it was.

But someone somewhere will end up paying as the generators produced electricity in line with their contracts at that hugely inflated rate and now need payment. It might take a while and a lot of court cases, but money will flow eventually. Mainly into the pockets of the lawyers.

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[dik]

It's not a problem in many places... critical infrastructure is often government run, and not private.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

i don't reckon it will flow apart from into lawyers pockets

 

[1503-44]

And in some places you can't tell the difference, like when the Utility Commission works for Wall Street.

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[RedSnake]

cranky DERs ?

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[cranky108]

DER, distributed energy resources. Mainly consist of wind and solar, but could be other.

For the most part non-selectable on energy output. Take or pay arrangements forced on to utilities by regulators.

 

[RedSnake]

Okey thanks cranky for the clarification.
But it's a bit strange though all energi sources is distributed in one way or another.

BR A



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[RedSnake]

I know we discussed this thing with preparedness in one thread, not sure it was here, but anyways.

I got this phone call Wednesday and when I answered there was this AI voice telling me that they where going to cut the water off between Thursday 20 May 20.00 to Friday 21 May at 06.00, and that I should fill up some water bottles and that there would be a tank truck with water by the grocery store if I needed more.

I guess that is one reason, why we here where I live, isn't always so well prepared.

Best Regards A

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[1503-44]

I guess if they can't see it coming, then you just gotta' force it on them. If they built their own, they wouldn't have to take or pay, they could just make, take and collect.

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