United Flight from Denver to Hawaii blows engine on takeoff 12

[magoo2]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-makes-emergency-landing-dropping-debris.html

Flight was able to land in Denver. No injuries reported. It was a Boeing 777.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Giant 'ring toss'.

I think those 777 engines are the largest out there, at least diameter-wise.

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[Alistair_Heaton]

Prat and Witney. Actually looks like it did its job pretty well no damage to the aircraft. and the casing intact.

I presume the flames are from burning carbon fibre and the engine oil.

 

[SWComposites]

The burning areas are the carbon/epoxy cascades, part of the thrust reverser.

The inlet, fan cowls, most of the thrust reversers all departed. Not good. This is not supposed to happen in a fan blade out event. Though its not clear what part of the engine failed.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

I don't think it was a fan blade or compressor cutting loose . Technically all that stuff that's missing can depart and its still classed as a contained failure. But I agree not good.... But could have been much much worse.

They have a colossal bypass so the core is only about the size of that black dome on the front of the fan.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

just for interest i don't think its this engine

https://youtu.be/5-8_Gnbp2JA

They only do one test for certification if it passed.

 

[Eufalconimorph]

Avherald article, for those like me who see the Daily Mail writing about aircraft failures as reason to doubt the existence of aircraft.

 

[bimr]

Video of incident

 

[dik]

Is that a kevlar type of fabric on the outside of the turbine blades?

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[JohnRBaker]

This picture, from The Aviation Herald article that Eufalconimorph referenced, appears to show a missing blade from the primary fan wheel:

And here's a cutaway of the Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engine used on the B777-200:

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[LittleInch]

I once saw a video of the test of the titanium ring around the main fan simulating a fan blade failure. The ring visibly moved and hence although it has apparently done its job and contained the fan blade that event may have disturbed the cowling enough to allow air in and rip it off.



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[Alistair_Heaton]

Your right John one is missing...

To be honest I would call that a failure but colossal success nothing hit the aircraft.

Although I bet the crew are happy it happened just after departure and not in the middle of a 180 mins ETOPS segment.

I love watching the engine tests. The icing tests are not as spectacular as the fan blade failures but the abuse they can put up with and still produce power is amazing.

 

[thebard3]

An engineering success, I think. Nothing is 100% reliable and this was one of the worst kind of failures for a jet engine and it ended without any injury.

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[Alistair_Heaton]

if your interested what happens if we blow a turbine this one happened recently

https://avherald.com/h?article=4e35302b&opt=0

 

[SWComposites]

Not a success. By design and regulations the nacelle is not supposed to depart in a fan blade out event.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

They pretty much always do come off though. And if they didn't the shear bolts would go and the whole pod would come off due to vortex shedding vibration.

As long as a blade doesn't come out and bang through the hull pretty much every pilot would count it as a success.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Well there is that 'band' of Kevlar that they wrap the fuselage with, inline with the primary fan wheel of the engines. That's why there's always at least one missing window (I hate it when I get stuck in the 'windowless' seat).

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[Alistair_Heaton]

They do that on turboprops and that's for ice coming off the blades. And its like a shotgun going off when it hits the plane.

And if the compressor disk goes it comes out supersonic and goes straight through the hull. Kevlar or not. I think you actually mean the compressor disk not the Fan.

There was a 737-800 that happened to in 2018 I think.

There is no requirement to contain disk failures.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Well that's what I was told by someone who used to work at Douglas Aircraft in Long Beach.

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[dik]

Thanks John... didn't know, but thought it was.

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