Azerbaijan Airlines flight carrying 67 people crashes in Kazakhstan

[IRstuff]

Plane crash in Kazakhstan killed dozens, but nearly half of those on board survived, officials say

Mobile phone footage circulating online appeared to show the Azerbaijani Airlines plane making a steep descent before slamming into the ground in a fireball in western Kazakhstan.

www.cbsnews.com

About half onboard survived the crash, currently believed to be caused by a bird strike

 

[dik]

See my first post. The holes are through and through.

Sorry tug... I'd heard that they weren't.

 

[3DDave]

Wherever you heard that should be struck from your sources of information. Full penetration was known within a few hours, complete with photographs.

The only ones supporting the "one side" story were those blaming gravel damage.

 

[dik]

It was hit by shrapnel...

 

[TugboatEng]

It took a 7 hour and 50 minute video to convince you of that?

The next series of questions are going to revolve around whodunnit. Russia obviously has a history of shooting down commercial airliners and early sources are saying Russia but that doesn't mean anything because everything gets blamed on Russia nowadays.

Russia has some of the most advanced SAM systems capable of shooting down modern fighter jets and this one barley nicks a commercial airliner with the precision of WW2 flak. The haphazard distribution of shrapnel size and patterns may indicate a less sophisticated system.

 

[RedSnake]

Well Tug, now it's my turn to say read my posts.

Russia have already apologized for shooting down the plane, that they later try to blame the pilot instead of taking full responsibility is just ordinary Russian propaganda.
Almost all airlines flying in this airspace to and from Russia have canceled all there flights.

 

[TugboatEng]

I saw that the Russians have offered condolences but have not made any admissions.

 

[RedSnake]

Who else do you think have the capability to shoot down airplanes on Russian territory?

 

[TugboatEng]

The fact that it was on Christmas Day gives it a hint of terrorism. Then again, Russians apparently celebrate on a later date. Is it just the Russians that celebrate at later dates?

 

[RedSnake]

Well the Christians celebrate the 25 December and the Catholic Orthodox the 7 Januari.

Who would then be able to perform a terrorist attack using ground to air capability on Russian territory?
The plane wasn't damaged from within.
And Russia and Azerbaijan are allies.

 

[human909]

Do none of you pay attention to the extremely vicious and volatile war that is going on in Ukraine and by extension the western portion of Russia!? To suggest that this wasn't an AA error, that it could be a terrorist attack or that there was some other X-Y-Z reason is quite frankly obtuse.

The airport is in a warzone. How hard is it to believe that this was war related!? Particularly when we have physical and eyewitness accounts indicating this.

 

[RedSnake]

I have no problem with that.
I know that the Russians shoot down one or two of their own fighter jets and or helicopters with friendly fire every month so why not a smaller commercial airplane especially under bad weather conditions.

 

[TugboatEng]

The USA just shot down one of our own fighters and we're not even at war.

Don't forget to there Iran is in the region, they're a bit of a wild card.

And remember how certain everyone here was that Russia blew up the Nord Steam pipelines?

 

[3DDave]

Russia isn't at war. They are conducting a special military operation, mainly a training exercise.

 

[Lou Scannon]

Training... for the Afterlife?

 

[dik]

It took a 7 hour and 50 minute video to convince you of that?

Nope... just added information.

 

[TugboatEng]

It was nothing that wasn't in the 5 minutes worth of video in my first post, possibly even less.

Red, I can't find where you said Russia admitted to shooting down the airplane in your posts.

 

[RedSnake]

Don't forget to there Iran is in the region, they're a bit of a wild card.

Yes but they are also allies with Russia and in extension Azerbaijan so they have no good reason to do something like this.
The main part of those onboard was Russians.

 

[RedSnake]

Red, I can't find where you said Russia admitted to shooting down the airplane in your posts.

No I am trying to load a video with translated text to english but I think its to large.

The thing with Russia is they will never admit to anything.

There is two ways to know it was them, if it had been a plane of a none ally they would have denied it from the top of their lungs.
Since it was a plane of an ally with mostly Russians they just say they have nothing to add to the statement of the Azerbaijani government or as they are doing now they make up excuses to why they can't be blamed.

If it had been a terrorist attack someone would have step forward and taken responsibility.

 

[RedSnake]

 

[RedSnake]