China Eastern Airlines flight MU5735 737-800 Crash 17

[Eufalconimorph]

Avherald.

Reuters.

Dash cam footage showing crash angle.

Video of security camera video, straight on (angle of descent looks steeper than reality).

 

[LittleInch]

I'm not saying it wasn't crew related, what I am saying is that something happened which shouldn't have happened and so far we all don't appear to have been given any clear evidence as to what that something was, other than it doesn't appear to be a 737-800 system issue.

But a perfectly functioning airplane ended up spearing into the ground and so far there is no plausible explanation being offered by anyone. That's what is worrying.

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[Alistair_Heaton]

There is a plausible reason being offered to do with face saving and Chinese culture. And also it involves communist party leaders.

 

[LittleInch]

And the plausible reason is???


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[Alistair_Heaton]

Not touching it sorry my colleague was killed in an aircraft accident with no technical reason for it occuring.

It was horrible for all of us that knew him what the speculation was.

Rip Tim your still remembered.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...eims_Cessna_F406_Caravan_II__G-TWIG_07-06.pdf

 

[SwinnyGG]

I believe Alistair is implying deliberate CFIT by the flight crew.

 

[LittleInch]

I figured that out - just wasn't sure how in a three man crew you could do that and why no one has come out with this officially yet, unless the CVR is too damaged to supply accurate words or noises. I fully get the Chinese culture of blame etc and I think silencing of the victims families, but something needs to give here. German Wings it came out pretty fast after they found the CVR, why not here?

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[Alistair_Heaton]

Because there is collosal loss of face involved. And no way now of punishing the person.

CVR can tell them what you ate for lunch by the sound of your fart.

They can tell which bearing in the engine failed by the acoustic signature outside the normal hearing range. They will know exactly what happened. And if it involves a family member of someone high up in the system it will be now a loss of face management exercise.

 

[Debirlfan]

Go to pprune.org and read the discussion there on the rumors/news forum. You don't need to be a member to read.

 

[LittleInch]

It is starting to look a lot like my second option is getting some legs.

A small amount of googling brought all the theories to the surface.

Even so, you just wonder what exactly triggered anything or how anyone can actually do what the speculation and basic facts are telling you.

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[Alistair_Heaton]

Exactly which is why I was extremely reluctant to promote them. They are all speculation and not even worthy of even being called a theory.

You can do it in the 737 just power trim forward and then kill the electrics. If the other pilot doesn't catch it before the speed increases more than 15knots you can't manually trim anyway due to the same issues with resolving the mcas issue on the max.

 

Most stuff that is publicly touted as 'theory' does not even clear the bar of 'hypothesis'.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[LittleInch]

It is though what happens when there is no official pronouncement based on verifiable facts from the two recorders, i.e. nature abhors a vacuum, be that on earth or information.

As can be seen on this site when the two most recent structural disasters to hit the US - miami bridge and the towers also in miami - led to thousands of posts, many based on very little other than wild speculation. Only when the official report came out can some sort of proper discussion take place.

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Only when the official report came out can some sort of proper discussion take place.

By the time that happens the 24 hour news cycle has moved on to the next scandal or shiny object, and we have clicked on the next bait.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[dik]

Hot off the whatevers...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...intentionally-cockpit-black-box-suggests.html

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[LittleInch]

Well When there's nothing left blame the crew.

But the evidence is mounting up.

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[thebard3]

Sounds like the NTSB will issue no further statements nor perform any further investigation. They're going to defer to the Civil Aviation Administration of China.
Interesting wording in the statements.
"The NTSB will not be issuing any further updates on the CAAC's investigation of the China Eastern 5735 crash," the NTSB said in a statement. "When and whether CAAC issues updates is entirely up to them. And I haven't heard anything about any plans for them to do so." -from ABC News

Brad Waybright

The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

just to note for european readers. They started off with additional medical checks for EASA pilots after the german wings. And my last medical two weeks ago there was a discussion about mental health and what I did during covid.

And apparently when you start a new job now the company has to get a aviation phycologist report on you. And people have been failing it.

 

[LittleInch]

And people have been failing it.

Maybe not for the persons involved, but for me that's actually quite reassuring. I don't know how many civilian airliner deaths/crashes have been put down to pilot suicide, but it seems to be one every 3 to 4 years if you add in the unexplained like MH370.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_pilot

So hopefully part of another hole in the swiss cheese model is being made smaller.

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[1503-44]

To what consequence?

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

To be honest a yearly check I think only ticks a box.

The people outside aviation I have seen spiral it wasn't obvious and then it was in a matter of a couple of weeks. Thankfully they were all spotted and the situation taken on by professionals before it became a disaster