China Eastern Airlines flight MU5735 737-800 Crash 17

[Eufalconimorph]

Avherald.

Reuters.

Dash cam footage showing crash angle.

Video of security camera video, straight on (angle of descent looks steeper than reality).

 

[thebard3]

get a aviation phycologist report on you

What happens if the aviation psychologist is crazy?

Brad Waybright

The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

 

[TugboatEng]

Takes one to know one.

 

We're spinning down the drain here.

The big failures are administrative and institutional, and when you follow events in the UK the problem is only getting worse despite all the policy barriers and emphatic assurances by leaders (I'm using the term 'leader' extremely loosely in this example).

There are so many examples where the 'systems in place' failed to catch psychopaths and sociopaths operating for years or decades in plain sight. Psychological screening will fail to intercept the truly dangerous candidates.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[TugboatEng]

https://qz.com/503328/social-psychologists-are-almost-all-liberals-and-its-really-hurting-the-field/

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Pilots do get a few more hurdles to jump through that most professions. And every 6 months they are in the sim.

I think the biggest change in EU is that the airlines came away from selection then training and limited themselves to self selected minimum training candidates. Which to be honest I fall into as I paid to get to the basic level myself because there was no other option in 2000.

And there are some extremely intelligent individuals doing a job that they are not suited for on an emotional and personality level and were trapped in the job due social and financial reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if it was some mof these types that are failing while supply outstrips demand in the job market.

 

[Overvoltage]

The big failures are administrative and institutional, and when you follow events in the UK the problem is only getting worse despite all the policy barriers and emphatic assurances by leaders (I'm using the term 'leader' extremely loosely in this example).

There are so many examples where the 'systems in place' failed to catch psychopaths and sociopaths operating for years or decades in plain sight. Psychological screening will fail to intercept the truly dangerous candidates.

Agreed. In the US, it seems that to get to the "leaders" level you have to be a sociopath/psychopath to a certain degree. In some ways the fox is guarding the hen house, but hard to know how to fix it when elections are a popularity contest and virtually unlimited, unaccountable money is available to spend on spreading facts or lies or a little of both about a candidate or issue.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Overvoltage its the same problem world wide. Gone are the old school leaders. The politicians most of them I wouldn't piss on them to put the flames out if they were on fire.

 

[SnTMan]

Thank you Alistair, my feelings exactly

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

TBE,

Psychologists were happy to perform the intellectual gymnastics useful to justify torture (yes it was torture) of detainees at Guantanamo. Were they all 'liberals' too?

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[TugboatEng]

I'm just thinking that pilots may not be too keen on psychological evaluation as pilots tend to be more conservative.

They found that while many conservative respondents personally experienced hostility at work as a result of their politics, liberals claimed to be blithely unaware that any such discrimination occurred. Yet almost 40% of liberal respondents said they would be willing to discriminate against a conservative job applicant.

Especially, when discussing thoughts and opinions might result in discrimination.

Secondly, psychology itself isn't much of a science. It's mostly speculation and full of conflicting information. It rarely seems to be an effective indicator of future behavior. Modern psychology seems to focus on justifying bad behavior instead.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

We decking hate it.. it's career gone due some person that has zero clue about the job.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Plus also the modern values of personal rights do effect us all.

And my plane I signed for it if you don't like it sex and travel doesn't sit with modern discussion antic's

 

[hokie66]

I don't know any psychologists, but do know a couple of psychiatrists, and they are weird.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

psychiatrists where i am are trained licensed doctors. Psychologists may have a MA degree.

 

[hokie66]

I think those definitions hold everywhere, and a psychiatrist is a specialist. But my description holds about the psychiatrists I know. Maybe they just couldn't make it in other fields of medicine?

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

err not the Uk system they have to complete the basica core to be able to registered to be able to prescribe drugs.

There are a few specialities that can come off that program but they are normally only hard core pathologists or something along the dead meat line.

 

I think Canada is similar; psychiatry is one of many specialties like podiatry or orthopedics, and they can prescribe. There are more specialist MDs here than GPs, which by itself tells you something about our system. While far better than the Yanks in terms of equity and universality, it is far from perfect (as with most things, Canadians are content with just being better than the Yanks, even if that level is mediocrity). I have not experienced a full, proper physical exam in my entire life and I don't even know my own blood type.

I have no idea how psychologists are regulated, but the bar for entry seems pretty low. Many select themselves for the job after experiencing one or another life challenges (don't we all at one time or another). IMO the majority are unfit for the job, but that is not to say there aren't some very good ones.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[dik]

The thot plickens...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

We had some intruders smash some airplanes into buildings in our recent history in USA. What the Chinese describe is not an improbable situation. I'll wait on the voice recorder information before I speculate.

If the voice recorder information is withheld, I will speculate more intensely.

 

[spsalso]

It is honorable that the NTSB (or other agencies) not "blab".

It is honorable for China to release the recordings.

It is honorable for NTSB to affirm that the released recordings match what they found.


Anyone feel like being dishonorable? Or honorable?



spsalso