China Eastern Airlines flight MU5735 737-800 Crash 17

[Eufalconimorph]

Avherald.

Reuters.

Dash cam footage showing crash angle.

Video of security camera video, straight on (angle of descent looks steeper than reality).

 

[TugboatEng]

There is the story of the "Gimli Glider".

But I do still wonder, can these planes glide at high altitude or do they have to "descend" to a lower altitude before they can start gliding more effectively?

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

They glide but the decent gradient is linked to aircraft weight and drag Coefficient it just depends on the drag and the amount of potential energy you have.

I wouldn't say they are great but they glide no problems.

 

[dik]

Just north of here a tad... first near casualty of early metrification in Canada.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

flown the profile in the sim. The pilot was a gliding champion and had local knowledge of Gimli.

Most that have a shot at the profile including myself don't get it in first attempt. I managed on my 3rd in a Q400 from 25k. First we reset at 10k because we weren't going to get in, second I turned in too early, third we landed and then the gear collapsed.

 

[Lou Scannon]

I landed an actual glider at Gimli, toward the end of my short gliding career. That was the end point of a 59 minute flight from our base near Pigeon Lake, in which I achieved the distance and height gain legs toward a Silver 'C'.

"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz

 

[dik]

Neat... I've only been in a glider once... it's eerie; you can almost hear your blood flowing. My second employer, Paul Krauss, was a glider pilot.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Might as well stick it here

https://aviationsourcenews.com/news...ashes-at-juan-santamaria-airport-photo-video/

757 having to land heavy after an incident in the air. Over ran and spun into the storm ditch.

I might add DHL pilots are one of the best trained and supported pilot groups in the USA. Far better looked after than most of the commercial pax pilots.

 

[AutisticBez]

Nah the DHL had a hydraulic failure of the left, which caused only half the spoilers to engage. You can see only 50% up. But the pilot makes a mistake, he pulls the stick left which caused the spoilers on the right to disengage. Instead should have used rudder left. This is why the aircraft did a sharp right turn.

 

[1503-44]

Very quiet here.

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.

 

[IRstuff]

They've restarted flights:

https://www.business-standard.com/a...7-800-flights-after-crash-122041800014_1.html

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[Alistair_Heaton]

That's test flights. Which may be linked to something they have found. Or its so they don't have to start doing the long-term storage program.

As there isn't any global AD's been issued it doesn't indicate a problem with the aircraft type common to all.

 

[LittleInch]

I thought I saw somewhere that they promised to release initial findings one month after the crash.

Seems they have, but it doesn't really say anything we didn't already know. Click on the English translate

http://www.caacnews.com.cn/1/1/202204/t20220420_1342986.html

I haven't yet found a copy of the full report - anyone?

The trailing edge of the right winglet was found 12km away, but nearly all other major parts - engines, wings, tail, rudder and stabiliser were all apparently found in the crater.
Nothing apparently untoward in terms of the crew, cargo or any pre flight faults. No weather issues reported.

I guess it's wait for the data from the recorders time, so hopefully it gives us all some answers.


Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.

 

[Sym P. le]

New data points added to flight path - white push pins

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

the full report will be a year at least.

 

[LionelHutz]

I would expect a report with factual data from the flight recorders is released relative soon.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Seems the CDG incident was pilot screwup..

Too many people trying to waggle the stick.

Which AF crews have loads of history with.

 

[Sym P. le]

Link to CDG incident report here (Reuters)

 

[1503-44]

Note. This is not the CN incident, but Air France.

"the columns had become decoupled" => "IT BROKE"

It broke? "The stick" broke?


A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.

 

[moon161]

I noticed the article about the CDG incident did not mention which pilot had control, though I'm inferring that the nose was not high enough for the copilot and they tried to change it a few times:
"The captain held the control column in a slightly nose-down position while the co-pilot made several, more pronounced, nose-up inputs," the report said."

 

[1503-44]

Must have been a pretty good arm wrestling contest to "decouple" it.

A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.