Failure of California high speed rail 7

[itsmoked]

But... You're not bitter.

Keith Cress
kcress -

http://www.flaminsystems.com

 

[thebard3]

Our tax dollars at play.

Brad Waybright

It's all okay as long as it's okay.

 

[Pete_K]

Newsom is a total joke. If you want to hear him get torn apart, search on YouTube "Adam Carolla Gavin Newsom".

 

[Spartan5]

Are these estimates developed by engineers?

 

[bones206]

What I've observed from the mega projects I've been involved in is that the financial factors can change dramatically between conception/estimating and construction, since that can be a length period of time. Fluctuations in finance rates, unit costs, etc and the overall lack of stability and predictability in the economy makes it pretty hard to control project costs, even with well thought out engineering estimates.

 

[epoxybot]

Are these estimates developed by engineers?

If you are asking about the TJPA, yes & no. The Butress Wall concept was originally proposed by Prof. Yousef Hashash for 80 Natoma, the Units were determined by TJPA Chief Engineer, Liz Wiecha and the work costed out by Riato Geotechnical Constructors. Parsons/Arup working for Caltrain, then prepared the report for the TJPA.

Here are the bids for the 301 Mission Buttress wall.

But... You're not bitter.

I'm one of the people that voted for High Speed Rail but bureaucrats have done nothing but suck money from the project. As far as the TJPA and Millennium, I went looking for what went wrong and where it went wrong. When the cracked steel beams of the Transit Center occurred, there were questions, elsewhere whether it had anything to do with the Millennium Tower. It doesn't but, I decided to gather as much information about the buttress wall as was available, only to discover the planning for the original Phase 1 was done in complete ignorance of a project (Millennium) occurring right under their noses. When they did become aware of it, the TJPA appear to have taken pains to keep the magnitude of the problem in-house and fabricate a non-existent cost savings as the main pitch for building the Train Box, when in fact there was no way forward without the Train Box. There is no way they could have built the Transit Center Grand Hall first and then come back and built the buttress wall underneath the Grand Hall. The 80 Natoma Geotechnical consultants had already determined ground failure was a very likely outcome from such a sequence of work. Since I live in the A-C Transit district and we will be the main source of project funds over the long haul, have lived in the South bay and ridden Caltrain to work on the peninsula; the fact that San Francisco was allowed to be in the drivers seat for a regional transportation project, that they are solely responsible for having made a mess of, makes me more than bitter.

 

[fel3]

epoxybot…

Re: “We're not going to build a $2 billion bus station under my watch.” - San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom,

He was correct. It wasn't a $2B bus station. It was more.

Fred

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"Is it the only lesson of history that mankind is unteachable?"
--Winston S. Churchill

 

[boo1]

How over budget is the project?

 

[itsmoked]

How over budget is the project?

Around $50B. More than double the original price.

Best comic yet:

Keith Cress
kcress -

http://www.flaminsystems.com

 

[BUGGAR]

I realize that this is totally not fair, but when I was young, a subway under the Bay from the East County was argued just like the HSR is now.