ISO 8015 and envelope requirements

[aniiben]

When on an ISO drawing that has ISO 8015 already specified, the designer wants to have the envelope requirement enforced, does he need to specify also ISO 14405-1 along with circled E or just circled E is enough somewhere close to ISO 8015 already shown?

So, is ISO 8015 E a valid ISO GPS drawing specification?

 

[cr7]

IMO use "Size ISO 14405-1:2016 [Ⓔ]". It's also going to invoke the entire GPS.

 

[aniiben]

Cr7,
I understand your reply, but that was not what I was asking
I've seen drawings with only 8015 E and I am questioning their validity in ISO GPS.

 

[cr7]

OK. 8015 [Ⓔ] isn't valid.

 

[aniiben]

Do you have some statements from applicable ISO standards to support your point?

I am trying to show it to designer in order to get the print fixed.

 

[3DDave]

5.1 Invocation principle

Once a portion of the ISO GPS system is invoked in a mechanical engineering product documentation, the entire ISO GPS system is invoked, unless otherwise indicated on the documentation, e.g. by reference to a relevant document.

5.5 Independency principle

By default, every GPS specification for a feature or relation between features shall be fulfilled independent of other specifications except when it is stated in a standard or by special indication (e.g. Ⓜ modifiers according to ISO 2692, CZ according to ISO 1101 or Ⓔ modifiers according to ISO 14405-1) as part of the actual specification.

 

[aniiben]

3DDave,

Please clarify a little your opinion: your statements (copied above) from ISO Standards is to prove or disprove cr7's stance that ISO 8015 and E combo is an invalid specification?

If i read the first sentence posted above i would say that E is a portion of an ISO standard, hence ISO 8015 and circled E is valid.

What do you think?

 

[3DDave]

I did not present an opinion; there is nothing to clarify.

 

[aniiben]

Should I understand that this subject is not clearly defined by the ISO standards?
Or offer multiple legal interpretation?

What is a standard industry practice?

 

[CheckerHater]

What is a standard industry practice?

The "industry practice" looks somehow like this:

If you want to hit your drafter with "the paragraph", it sounds somehow like this:

Alternative default definition for the entire drawing
The following indication :
- the reference of this standard , i.e : « ISO 14405 »,
- the list of the choosen definition by the corresponding modifiers given in clause 8 (including the symbols), shall be given in or near the title block.

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[aniiben]

Looks like there is still room for (more) arguments and ISO is not crystal clear on this aspect.
Does not look like I have enough support from the standards and its theory to go back to the designer to have the print corrected.