Pipeline Pressure Loss 14

[hacksaw]

https://www.barrons.com/news/germany-investigates-russian-pipeline-pressure-drop-01664204407

 

[1503-44]

Just considering one pipeline. Starting out with it closed in at their stated balance out pressure of 160 barg and then a full diameter size hole in the pipeline at 7 barg pressure, it could take up to 10 days to stop flowing. 8 days if it's a total disconnection and flowing out of each dis onnected end. A few more days to go.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[SSCon]

The crime scene investigation that the Security Police conducted at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines is now complete. The investigation has strengthened the suspicions of gross sabotage.

The security police have since this weekend carried out the crime scene investigation with the support of the Coast Guard, the Swedish Armed Forces and the Swedish Police Agency. It has been a very well-functioning collaboration.

After a crime scene investigation, the Security Police can state that there have been detonations at Nord Stream 1 and 2 in the Swedish economic zone, which have caused extensive damage to the gas pipelines.

During the crime scene investigation, certain seizures have been made. Within the framework of the preliminary investigation, the Security Police continuously undertakes various investigation measures. As part of the work, the seizures will now be reviewed and analyzed. The continued preliminary investigation must show whether someone can be served with suspicion and later prosecuted.

The security police are conducting the preliminary investigation into the incident at Nord Stream under the direction of prosecutors at the National Security Unit. After completing the crime scene investigation, the prosecutor has lifted the cordons at the scene.

The security police assess what happened in the Baltic Sea as very serious. The Security Police follows developments closely and takes the necessary measures based on the authority's mandate to protect Sweden and Sweden's security.

 

[1503-44]

This the best analysis I've seen so far. Prospect Theory.
And that's without considering the IMO significant force majuer aspects.

https://youtu.be/hk-0qJXyido

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[TugboatEng]

I'd like to see a country with less skin in the game doing the investigation. India would be very neutral here, maybe.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

India is very far from neutral.

They are basically screwed now for military hardware and ammunition. Most of it is Russian.

Pakistan does buy some from Russia and China as well but has more of western hardware.

And it is also very easily bought both at a national level and individual.

 

[1503-44]

Andorra.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

That made me roar with laughter cheers.

As an aside I might disagree with the country suggested but if you have a look at the Estonia sinking and investigation it stinks to high heaven.

 

[1503-44]

There is a connection to Macron, but I think the Andorrans run a relatively independent show. The investigative authority could be capped at the prime minister level, and or the Andorran Court, so as to limit French influence. It is in Europe, but I think it is isolated from the gas system. I've never heard of any specific connection to the US or Russian camps. Probably no technical capability, but they could legally supervise the work being done. I honestly wouldn't know who else to pick. NZ? Maybe second.

I didn't see any connection between Andorra to the Estonia on the Estonia wiki page. ??

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[TugboatEng]

I think the Estonia is an example of a biased investigation. Add the fact that it's illegal to image or survey the wreck and that they tried to bury it maybe makes people suspicious of the original findings.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

There isn't any connection.

But as you say technical ability square root of cock all. Ski lift disaster different story.

There is loads of extremely smelly stuff with the Estonia. And every country in the area has poo on their shoes from it.

I walk past the memorial regularly in Tallinn. On my way down to the sea front walk to the German graveyard.

 

[Factoter]

As a coincidence the *Nordstrom* incident and Estonia sinking occurred both on the same day of a 28 year Solar cycle; 7 (days/wk) X 4 (leap yr) = 28 year repeating cycle; Wednesday 28, September

 

[TugboatEng]

Oh no you didn't!

 

[RedSnake]

There is a difference between Estonia and Nord Stream, Estonia was conducted by SHK The State Accident Commission together with Estonias state apparatus.

Nord Stream is run by the state procecutor and the Security Police and they are not "run" by the government they are separate from it the government have no influence there.
The same can be sade about the SHK at least in the first investigation of Estonia, but in the second the government had to approve it because it was deemed a grave site.

Since the prosecutor has lifted the cordons at the scene anyone with the means can have a look now, of course they can't see things that the Swedish Security Police have taken away.

Swedish prosecutors does not comment on things before preliminary investigations are finished for many reasons.

I would be very surprised if they found anything that pointed against Russia, not so much if it pointed towards US. Mostly because that is the way the Russian works they get ammunition that they themselves don't have only the one they would like to blame and then they use that to point the finger. USA

 

[RedSnake]

On October 6, a letter was received from Russian Prime Minister Michail Misjustin to Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson requesting that Russian authorities and the company Gazprom be involved in the Swedish investigation.
The letter is currently being prepared within the Government Office," writes the Foreign Ministry in a comment to the newspaper.

The decision to lift the restrictions means that it is free for those who want to dive, fish or stay in the area.
It also means that Russia can now send ships to the area.
However, if they want to do certain types of research on the seabed, a permit may be required, according to the Coast Guard.

Russia is considering conducting its own investigation into what is behind the leaks in the gas pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2, writes Reuters.
This after Denmark said no to giving Russia access to the Danish investigation.

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[TugboatEng]

This after Denmark said no to giving Russia access to the Danish investigation

And there is the smoking gun. What are they afraid of?

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Absolutely nothing, its just the not the normal process which has been around for at least 100 years. It would be like letting Boeing investigate the MAX crashes.

 

[TugboatEng]

I'm sure Boeing did investigate the Max crashes. It wasn't the official investigation but I doubt the FAA withheld information from Boeing. I can understand not giving the Russians unrestricted access to tamper with the scene. The problem is that we don't know who did this. It's assumed to be a state actor and depending on which state did it there may be great interest in protecting that identity. It's best to get as many people involved as possible to promote transparency.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

The FAA didn't do either investigation. They were involved in it as a document evidence provider and also technical capabilities at the request of the primary investigation team, but they were not the primary investigation authority. And Boeing did not investigate either crash in any official capacity. And they had absolutely zero rights to access the crash sites or access to the wreckage.

This stuff is covered by international law. Which has been in force for over 100 years.

 

[RedSnake]

I can understand not giving the Russians unrestricted access to tamper with the scene. The problem is that we don't know who did this. It's assumed to be a state actor and depending on which state did it there may be great interest in protecting that identity. It's best to get as many people involved as possible to promote transparency.

As I sade before the Swedish prosecutors and I am guessing the Danish don't work like that at least in Sweden it is a crime investigation as all others and until the preliminary investigation is finished the prosecutors and in this case the security police don't disclose any information to anyone as it can harm the investigation, they can ask different resources for help but that's it.
What ever information that comes afterwards will be equal for all, it can be decided that some of it is a security risk for Sweden then it might be classified and then not reviled.

But I don't see why we or the Danes would like to protect anyone in this?
Unless you are suggesting that you the Americans did it?

Of course we could have blown up the pipes ourselves but then we would have done it further from the Polen cable we don't use Russia oil or gas but SE power companies make a huge amount of money selling electricity to the continent right now. ;-)


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[TugboatEng]

We have no idea who did it. Logically, the Russians are the least likely to have done it but we live in an illogical world right now.

Don't forget that the US President said he would do it and is now claiming to his donors that the world suddenly faces nuclear "Armageddon". That's not normal.

My wild assed guess is that it was the Iranians. I have no facts or evidence to back this up. Nobody else has facts or evidence to back up their claims to the contrary, either.