Tesla "autopilot" disengages shortly before impact 9

[MartinLe]

https://fortune.com/2022/06/10/elon...on-traffic-safety-autonomous-fsd-fatal-probe/

"On Thursday, NHTSA said it had discovered in 16 separate instances when this occurred that Autopilot “aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact,” suggesting the driver was not prepared to assume full control over the vehicle."

Where I a legislating body, I would very much demand that safety critical software needs to be as transparent as any other safety feature. Which would limit "AI"/machine learning applications in these roles.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Worse place for driving I have been is Saudi Arabia utter mayhem.

 

[spsalso]

This recent crash happened at 4am.

That's about when the morning commute starts for certain workers in San Francisco (financial). One of my windows overlooks the freeway, and if I happen to be up about that time, I can see it happening.


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[TugboatEng]

There was a video of a pedestrian (high as a kite homeless person) sprinting in front of a Toyota on 580 recently. The car auto-braked and saved the person's life.

 

[IRstuff]

NPR's article mentions the following, so not the first time something like this has happened to Teslas, and NHTSA is still investigating, and has been, for a while.

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/20/1158367204/tesla-driver-killed-california-firetruck-nhtsa[/URL]]In August 2021, the agency requested detailed information about how Teslas respond to emergency vehicles parked on highways. At least 14 Teslas have crashed into emergency vehicles while using self-driving systems, the AP reported.

https://www.wionews.com/technology/...weet-about-disabling-monitoring-alerts-551176

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[IRstuff]

Not sure why someone thought that crashes into emergency vehicles were rare; it took me less than a couple of minutes to find this:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/several-states-report-spike-drivers-crashing-police[/URL]]In Illinois, drivers hit 15 State Police troopers or vehicles, while the officers were stopped along a road with their lights flashing, in the first three months of 2019.

and this

https://www.workzonebarriers.com/emergency-response-firetruck-collision-crash-facts.html[/URL]]Firetrucks are commonly used as blockers at roadway accidents to protect emergency responders. In 2019, an estimated 2,500 vehicles crashed into firetrucks parked as blockers (6.8 crashes every day or 16% of all firetruck collisions). Studies have found that secondary collisions account for approximately 15% of all collisions & result in 18% of all traffic fatalities nationwide.

So, yeah, it happens a lot, like 7 times a day, on average.



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[Alistair_Heaton]

I would never stay on the hard shoulder of a highway in any country even Germany.

Its extremely common everywhere for things to get hit on them.

 

[spsalso]

In the case currently under discussion (I-680, Walnut Creek), it appears the original car failure (the one that brought out the fire trucks) happened in the high speed lane. Or thereabouts. There is no hard shoulder there. There is a concrete wall a couple of feet away from the lane.

There IS a shoulder over on the edge of slow-speed side, but I think it likely the driver of the first car was not in a position to get there. Very few people would choose to stop their car in the high speed lane of a freeway.

Looking at this picture:

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/69nj1g/picture272548462/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/crash1.jpg

it appears to me that the Tesla was traveling in perhaps the middle lane of the five available.

The fire truck that was hit was undoubtedly placed as protection for the people there based on the frequency of crashes noted by IRstuff (above).


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[IRstuff]

Based on the photo, I would guess the Tesla was in that lane and was on Autopilot, and it lost the lane markings and headed leftward into lane two and collided with the fire truck, resulting in pushing the fire truck over and bouncing the Tesla back into lane 3.

Tesla's lane following has always been a piece of crap, and continues to seemingly be disconnected from its collision avoidance program. FSD has been, is, and likely will be, a piece of crap until someone forces a complete recall of FSD and sues Tesla into the ground

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