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  1. SandwichEngine

    Pre-engineered Columns for Compression

    Your results sound off to me. Are you considering the girts and flange braces as weak axis restraints for bending and compression?
  2. SandwichEngine

    PEMB frame deformation due to foundation settlement

    These things can bend a lot in their weak axis without yielding. If you can get it straightened out and nothing has yield line, then it's remained elastic. https://youtu.be/V7zOZbCQ94M?si=qPRy6IQNFzt9Jw8p I'm guessing a PEMB erector would be a good resource for how to get the rafters back to...
  3. SandwichEngine

    Another Structural Software Thread

    Tekla Structural Designer does #2 easily. Haven't needed number 1.
  4. SandwichEngine

    Door Frame Canopy Supported by thin Z-Girts

    These type of canopies are added to PEMB type buildings all the time without requiring any complex analysis. Lots of companies sell canopies like this "off the shelf" that are just installed anywhere on a PEMB building. Presumably, the off the shelf canopies are aluminum and very light. May...
  5. SandwichEngine

    Analyzing and code checking a pre-engineered metal building for new rooftop RTU loading

    I just want to discourage anyone from using photos from a storm and pointing at one example of a building failing close to others and making conclusions about entire building systems. I attended a research symposium a few years back where a professor studied building failures after Hurricane...
  6. SandwichEngine

    Fastner Pull Test and Steel Deck KSI

    If I'm reading your post right, you've performed tests where you pulled on a fastener until it pulled out and you got 530 lbs. For one, you check pullout using ultimate strength, not yield strength. For two, it depends on the diameter of the screw. That being said, assuming a 1/4 (#14) tek...
  7. SandwichEngine

    Analyzing and code checking a pre-engineered metal building for new rooftop RTU loading

    The odds of you getting it to work are low. I'm a PEMB guy and buildings we designed a few years ago wouldn't be shown to work for the newer wind loads. Not only has the wind loads gotten stronger according to the code, the wind maps are totally different. Because the IEBC required anything...
  8. SandwichEngine

    PEMB: 240k Kickout Tie-Beam

    240 kips? I'm a PEMB guy and that sounds crazy. I checked a 200 ft clear span hangar that we did recently and the largest lateral factored load is 74 kips ASD. So if you haven't already, either question that loading or figure out how it's so large. The biggest lateral loads on PEMBs are due...
  9. SandwichEngine

    Factory Mutual FM for Bar joist support.

    FM not only charges somewhere near $10k to do a test to get one assembly rated, you also have to pay $10k per year to keep your product listed. Any tiny difference means they get to charge for a different assembly in perpetuity. FM is not your friend when it comes to using common sense or...
  10. SandwichEngine

    Metal Builidng Column Reaction confusion. GO figure right?

    PEMBs are awful. We have a job in house where their floor beams attach to our structure. The just gave us a vertical load. No breakout between dead load, live load and any other load. No mention of whether or not the loads have been factored or not. They just expect you to intuit what...
  11. SandwichEngine

    Pre-engineered metal building (c 1992) with steel bar joist roof + girders?

    It's definitely possible and also probable that the joists are not special PEMB joists like Butler's system. I'm a PEMB guy and I've worked for one of the largest companies in the US and a smaller regional player. For roofs we have only ever used joists provided by big SJI companies like...
  12. SandwichEngine

    PEMB with full basement

    Hokie66, I'd weld it to the PEMB column. You could call out a bolted connection but that would require coordination between the PEMB detailers and the steel detailers. I've seen that done but more often than not, the construction guys request to weld it anyway because something doesn't line up.
  13. SandwichEngine

    PEMB with full basement

    PEMB guy here. I agree with hokie66. PEMB companies base their baseplates elevation "from finished floor." In this case that would presumably be the top of the first floor slab. They can provide their baseplates at that elevation, above it for grout, or below it whatever distance to recess...
  14. SandwichEngine

    Bottom chord buckling of a steel truss due to compression from wind uplift

    I don't know how much this will add to the discussion but I noticed a lot of what I assume are Victorian era structures in Paris have trusses that just have cables for the bottom chords so zero ability to resist compression. I'm thinking that if your main roof structure is heavy enough, you can...
  15. SandwichEngine

    Weld Symbol Library

    I'm not how those work for making your own stamps but I'm guessing their similar to Bluebeam. In bluebeam, you draw a weld symbol, then select all the elements and add it to your toolbox. Every time you need to draw a new weld symbol, add that to your toolbox too. Now you have all the weld...
  16. SandwichEngine

    PBR panel calculations

    I'm a metal building guy. I agree that the charts look off because they show the 26 Ga. panels as stronger than the 24 Ga. panels for simple span. When people choose to do a through fastened roof like PBR (I have no idea why anyone would want a million holes in their roof) 24 Ga. is standard...
  17. SandwichEngine

    LTB if support is at the load?

    I agree with driftlimiter. The entire beam will see bending and therefore the top flange will see compression. The brace will keep it from laterally torsionally buckling at the mid point but if LTB controls along the top flange anywhere else the top flange is free to buckle.
  18. SandwichEngine

    Can anyone explain why these steel highway girders have this uniform deformed-like appearance?

    I don't think it's web buckling. I think that's normal for deep sections with thin webs. PEMBs look like this all the time straight off the assembly line.
  19. SandwichEngine

    Inland-Ryerson Metal Building

    Hmm. They were bought by Schulte. I don't know if Inland is still in business but Schulte definitely is. Maybe go that route. https://sbslp.com/inlandbldglogomed/
  20. SandwichEngine

    Inland-Ryerson Metal Building

    They're still around. They're now just called Inland Buildings and are owned by Schulte Building systems. INRYCO is also a correct shortened version of their name. No idea if they'd have information from very far back but who knows. https://inlandbuildings.com/about-us/history-timeline/

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