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RodRico

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Apr 25, 2016
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All,

I'm now patent pending on my design updates incorporated since filing the original patent, so I can show it now and solicit critique (for those familiar with the system engineering process, the first patent reflected Preliminary Design while the new continuation patent reflects down select of mechanization options to a final design). There are still a number of details to complete, but I estimate final design is about 90% complete at this point.

Folks may recall my engine is a rotating cylinder radial that uses opposed pistons mated to a dedicated charge pump for scavenge/charge and employs a two-stroke Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition (HCCI) cycle. All pistons are driven by cams, and each set of cylinders completes four full cycles per revolution. With six cylinder sets, the result is 24 complete cycles per revolution. One key difference between the current design and the original is the relocation of the charge pump from its radial position coaxial with the opposed pistons to a new position beside the opposed pistons. This change allows use of a third cam to drive the charge pump piston which previously moved in unison with the outside piston of the opposed pair. This new position shortens the transfer passage between the charge piston and the opposed pair, allows greater flexibility in charge pump timing versus the opposed pair, eliminates the cam shaft (and associated flexure) of the prior design, and maximizes the cam contact area of the heavily loaded pistons of the opposed pair. Combined with a new intake/exhaust port layout, the new approach significantly reduces back pressure (and thus pumping loss) during scavenge/charge. Another key change in the new design is reduction of the innermost piston's stroke to encompass opening and closing the intake port alone while allocating the full compression/expansion stroke to the outer piston of the pair. This change is a simple matter of mechanics; the radius of the inside cam is much smaller than the radius of the outside cam, and the larger radius cams can move further in a given number of degrees and a given material stress limit. The final major difference in the new design is the incorporation of a traditional valve/port controlled version of the Atkinson cycle to mechanize variable compression ratio and control autoignition timing; the inner cam controlling intake port timing is rotated relative to the outer cams so the port remains open during some portion of the compression stroke (note the charge pump cam profile is the inverse of the main piston's cam profile during this period so the net pressure of the Atkinson transfer is near zero). This facility is controlled according to knock sensors in the inner cam as well as atmospheric pressure and temperature sensors to vary compression and ensure ignition occurs at the ideal time in the cycle.

Below is a Solidworks Motion Study animation of one cylinder set (of 6) comprised of an opposed piston pair and a charge pump piston. Note that the animation rotates the cams rather than the pistons and cylinders as in the final design so that the cycle can be better observed. The animation shows the charge pump ports are aligned with the intake ports which are open and closed by the upper (or innermost) piston. Note the circular pocket near the intake ports in the main cylinder; this is where the fuel injectors are installed. Driven by a cam in the side housing, these fuel injectors start injecting at a fixed point in the cycle representing the latest possible closure of the intake port.

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Per my math and CAD models, the prototype engine will displace between 25 and 31 cc depending on altitude and ambient conditions (25cc on a standard day at sea level). The engine will be 6 inches in diameter and 5 inches thick and employ a bore of just over 1 inch with stroke sweeping a total of 0.481 inches (including the 0.062 inch tall ports at the top and bottom of the cylinder). It will produce 5.7 HP @ 2,626 RPM (propeller speed) and 11.5 lb-ft of torque with 58.6% efficiency including friction and pumping loss (68.3% theoretical) at sea level. 73% of said performance will be available at 15,000 foot altitude (even though air density is only 62.9% of that at sea level). The weight is high at 16.5 lb, but I expect that to come down to around 10-12 lb after weight reduction is complete (deferred until after all other aspects are proven). Performance figures are, of course, subject to validation in real hardware, but I'm encouraged by the 58.6% efficiency indicated by the models; as long as the end result is above 50%, I've got a real product.

Based on threads regarding the Achates engine, I imagine some will be quick to point out that opposed piston engines tend to dump oil out the cylinder ports. Now that the updated patent is filed I can say that this is one area where a rotating cylinder block is key; the passages to and from the intake and exhaust ports will be tilted slightly inward toward the motor axis such that oil exiting the ports can be collected via centrifugal force and routed back into the low pressure oil loop (which flows nearby through passages surrounding each cylinder for cooling). This of course assumes that the oil exiting the ports is in liquid form, and I'll have to conduct experiments to determine how it exits the port and how best to capture it aided by centrifugal force.

The whole point of this post is to solicit constructive criticism, so don't hold back. I only ask that it be constructive and respectful.

Rod
 
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Your clarification of cam profile accepted for now. When it comes to cutting metal, be prepared for a learning curve on what is feasible to achieve a durable cam system.
RodRico said:
For one cylinder executing one cycle, displacement = 4.167E-06 m^3, work = 4.32 J, IMEP = 10.38 bar, FMEP = 0.53 bar, and BMEP = 9.85 bar.
where is PMEP in all that?

"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz
 
hemi said:
Be prepared for a learning curve on what is feasible to achieve a durable cam system.
I am fully prepared to have to mess with the cam profiles during test. I am not as pessimistic as you, however, as I am only moving 73.5 grams (before I've put effort into lightening pistons) over 10.4 mm in 1.5 ms. These figures aren't unlike those of modern high performance engines. My cam performance curves (speed, acceleration, and jerk) are all in units of seconds right now but I will soon convert them to units of degrees so they can be better compared to existing cam designs.

hemi said:
Where is PMEP in all that?
PMEP is rolled up in work. If I take it out of work and treat it as a value subtracted from IMEP, the affected figures would be: Work 5.16 J, IMEP 12.38 bar, PMEP 2.01 bar, FMEP 0.53 bar, BMEP 9.85 bar. My model actually works by calculating the port area required to move the desired air mass with a specified pressure differential (0.1 bar) over the specified time allocated for gas exchange in the cam profiles (17 degrees at 2,626 RPM). As I increase the pressure differential, the port size decreases, the cam requirement becomes less demanding (less distance traveled in 17 degrees), and the engine diameter decreases by roughly 2x the resulting change in port height.
 
And this PMEP includes the negative work in the working cylinder as well as the net work in the pumping cylinder, correct?

"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz
 
hemi said:
This PMEP includes the negative work in the working cylinder as well as the net work in the pumping cylinder, correct?
Yes, and it also includes the intake manifold, the manifold between the charge pump and working cylinder, and the exhaust manifold.

EDIT: The one pumping loss that's not accounted for is that associated with the Atkinson mode when compression continues as the intake port closes.
 
moon161 said:
Have you ever looked at pattakon's stuff?

Yes, I ran into his material during patent search for my first engine patent. He's using the back face of the opposed pistons to charge the opposed pair. This approach was, I believe, first put forward by an English company called Doxford back when opposed piston engines were all the rage. I used a similar approach in my first engine where the charge pump piston was coaxial with and moved in unison with the outer piston of the opposed pair. To a large extend these approaches using the bottom of a piston to provide the intake charge isn't unlike a standard two-stroke. It has problems, however.

I transitioned to an independently controlled charge piston because the prior approach wasn't delivering the air at the right time. As a result, I was pressurizing teh charge air (not unlike a traditional two stroke) when there is no need. The new arrangement allows me to deliver fresh air to the opposed pistons when needed with only 0.1 bar back pressure, and this yields a huge reduction in pumping loss.

It's important to note that my patents both apply to the class of opposed-piston rotating cylinder engines. I use the centrifugal force of the spinning cylinder block for two primary functions: 1) Oil scraped out of the intake and exhaust ports (a common problem in opposed piston two strokes) is collected and returned to the oil loop via centrifugal force; and 2) a zero-component centrifugal oil pump distributes oil throughout the block for the purpose of cooling and lubrication.
 
Well, my first patent for my engine has been granted and published. Skimming through it, I'm struck by how many refinements have been made since it was filed. Many of them were inspired by constructive criticism offered by members of this forum while others resulted from input by my consultant and personal reflection:
[ul]
[li]Outer cam follower shafts eliminated in favor of direct contact of piston with cam. This eliminates shaft flexure, maximizes follower radius for reduced cam stress, and reduces weight.[/li]
[li]Air pump pistons on their own cam to allow optimized timing. This allows scavenge/charge air to be moved only when the intake and exhaust ports are fully open, thus reducing back pressure and pumping loss. [/li]
[li] Four to one increase in port area and transfer manifold volume to reduce pumping loss. [/li]
[li] Multiple reed valves per cylinder set eliminated via optimized gas exchange timing and a simple rotary port. This reduces cost, complexity, and pumping loss.[/li]
[li]Fuel injectors moved to rotor to spray directly into combustion chamber. This reduces manifold complexity and volume as well as pumping loss while improving mixing. [/li]
[li] Reduction of piston sets from 12 to 6 which reduces complexity and facilitates direct injection (which adds a fuel injector to each cylinder set). [/li]
[li]Use of a common bore in the opposed pistons which reduces stress and simplifies construction. [/li]
[li]Use of inner piston to service intake port only (no role in compression). This maximizes inner cam minimum radius, reduces cam stress, and facilitates Atkinson mode (delayed intake closure). [/li]
[li]Atkinson mode incorporated for HCCI control to replace multiple control levers. This reduces component count and simplifies control over a wide range of ambient pressure and temperature. [/li]
[li] Switched from air to oil cooling. This eliminates the need for both oil and air pumping and cooling. [/li]
[li]Peak combustion pressure reduced from unrealistically high values to 220 bar max. This eliminates risk of Low Speed Premature Ignition (LSPI, autoignition of lubricating oil)[/li]
[li]Peak combustion temperature below 2150K at all times. This reduces NOX production allowing operation without an NOX adsorber. Note HCCI's inherently low soot production eliminates the need for a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), so all that remains is a simple two-way (CO, HC) catalytic converter. [/li]
[/ul]

A continuation patent covering all these refinements has been filed, so the refined engine is patent pending. I'm no longer working architectural refinements but design details such as incorporation of piston springs (which is turning ut to be harder to do well than expected), tolerancing, and stack-up.

I know I often seems resistant to criticism, but I do hear you, and am grateful for your contributions.

Thank you all!
 
The patent files are littered with engine concepts that have never been built and run. So, prove us wrong - build it and run it!

"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz
 
hemi said:
prove us wrong - build it and run it!

I’m working on it. These things take a remarkable amount of time and effort. I’m used to having a large team moving things along more quickly, but that’s not financially realistic without investors, and I’ll not solicit investors until I have encouraging test results.
 
if when you solicit investors be very careful. you could run into a conman who said he had 2 mill ready to invest but in reality nothing but you are the bait for his personal runaway ponzie scheme so attracts other investors and pays himself 100K a year and minimal on development, marketing . in fact works against development in order to tell investors we need more money. you resign from the company and he takes you to court with a mountain of false paperwork and a big name fancy barrister .The judge sees through the false accusations but tries to protect the innocent shareholders. and awards costs to you and refers the case to ASIC to investigate . expecting only one honest man left standing naturally the conman does not pay costs. and ASIC does nothing because it falls under their threshold of 2 mill a year . The conman takes out a nothing patent in his own name as inventor in order to continue.
the truth is my shield

A tidy mind not intelligent as it ignors the random opportunities of total chaos. Thats my excuse anyway
Malbeare
 
malbeare said:
If when you solicit investors be very careful. You could run into a conman who said he had 2 mill ready to invest but in reality nothing but you are the bait for his personal runaway ponzie scheme so attracts other investors and pays himself 100K a year and minimal on development, marketing.

I already ran into such a fellow. He has a history of working on new engine startups then moving on to the next just as the prior one dies for lack of funding. His primary qualification per his own statements is that he knows how to raise money. Given the trail of failures behind him, I doubt the investment community he works with is excited to see him at their door.
 
The vast majority of novel engine startups fail. This guy would be typical of anyone that specialises in capital raising for such startups.

je suis charlie
 
gruntguru said:
The vast majority of novel engine startups fail. This guy would be typical of anyone that specialises in capital raising for such startups.

True dat. Good point.
 
Ditch the OD (bottom) cam and go desmodronic, ducati style. A V8 used a sumilar style once. No more worry about return springs.

How much HP is lost to the valve train? I don't really know but I would think you could gain some efficiency removing the spring.

Also it seems like you could greately simplify this and build a single combustion chamber prototype with off the shelf parts.

Or were you relying on "centrifugal" force to do something?

Here's a video you may find entertaining :)


Engineering student. Electrical or mechanical, I can't decide!
Minoring in psychology
 
Beautiful drawings.

Where is the cooling system?



Mike Halloran
Corinth, NY, USA
 
michaelwoodcoc said:
Ditch the OD (bottom) cam and go desmodronic, ducati style
There's very little load associated with pulling either piston, so I'm considering extending the cam follower with small pins that ride in a slot to either side.

michaelwoodcoc said:
How much HP is lost to the valve train?
It's a piston ported two-stroke, so there's no valve train per se. The cams moving small pistons is somewhat similar, however. I don't know how much HP they're costing, but I do use the Heywood/Ricardo estimates for total engine friction (FMEP). At present, it FMEP is estimated at 0.53 bar per cylinder. If I set FMEP to zero, I see a 0.3 increase in HP.

michaelwoodcoc said:
Also it seems like you could greately simplify this and build a single combustion chamber prototype with off the shelf parts.
Think of the inner piston as an intake valve; its stroke is limited to that required to open and close the intake ports. Using piston gated ports yields greater port area, less pumping loss, reduced surface area of the combustion chamber, and reduced heat loss.

michaelwoodcoc said:
Or were you relying on "centrifugal" force to do something?
Centrifugal force is used to pump oil for cooling and lubrication and to trap/recover oil escaping out the intake and exhaust ports (a common problem with opposed piston two-strokes).
 
Sorry RodRico, I didn't make myself sufficiently clear on any of my points!

I was just thinking out loud on the valve train. In a conventional engine, I bet very little of the energy used to open the valves (if any) is returned. At lower RPM's turning an engine over by hand it is possible for the valve springs to act on the cam and "cog" it to another spot, for lack of a better term, but I would think at higher RPM's the valve train is mostly just a loss.

I brought that up simply because of the mention of return springs for the pistons IIRC.

Here's the valve return system on the V8 that I was talking about:
I imagine if you did a groove you could use roller/ball bearings to actuate/move the piston in both directions and use a much more easy to machine metal for a prototype, so even if you just do it to test the engine, can always switch back later.

On the combustion chamber part I think I didn't make this sufficiently clear either. I understand your intention of the inner piston. I think it may be prudent to build a prototype "single combustion cylinder" engine which would really have two cylinders.

The video I posted could be inspiration for a way to design a much more simple single cylinder prototype. There has to be an infinite number of ways that you could use to obtain the same piston movement profile as you would obtain with that "cam" setup.
Who says it has to be cams for the prototype? Sure, losses due to friction would be totally different. But you could calculate that for both setups and see how it would compare.

The oil separation idea seems like a good one. I'd be curious to see itin action.

Engineering student. Electrical or mechanical, I can't decide!
Minoring in psychology
 
@hemi

""It seems to me you're biting off quite a lot at once. An experienced engine developer would develop and test the novel technologies individually: the cam drive, the fuel injection & combustion recipe, and the cylinder/porting/breathing concept each in individual rig tests. Not cheap or easy, but nothing worthwhile is.""

Don't mean to hijack the thread but your post reminded me of Dan Gurney's 1966 quote, "We had a very successful year in terms of mechanical failures."

This was because they went ahead and built the Westlake V12 with surplus WWI machine tools. Of course that mistake led to the Gurney-Westlake Eagle engines, MK1-F1 and MK2-Indy and the rest is history.
 
LOL, 62.5 lbs. of oil pressure and one drop of oil that isn't smoke in the the video.
 
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