Building geometry 10

[hoshang]

Hi all,
Please find the attached image.
Do you think the proposed geometry acceptable regarding center of mass and center of rigidity considerations? FYI the red circle is the center of mass.

 

[hoshang]

Hi all,
Your points of view are highly appreciated. If I move columns in gridline 2 (except the one on the right side boundary) to gridline 3, would that help? Would that make any concern?

 

[dik]

If you can relocate the columns, you should determine their location based on how it affects the parking. It's not a matter of simply moving/removing columns. with your beam system you should be able to move them along the grid independent of the 'crossing' grid location. You should look at the parking layout, determine what works best, and look at the column locations that best suit this. You have to look at this first. If there's an architect involved he would normally be the one that determines this. There's a little more to it... can you look at where you have your elevator? There are so many variations. Moving the elevator forward gives you a little more main floor space and may improve parking like the attached.

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[dik]

another possible layout... You need to determine the best parking layout first, then locate your structure. In addition, you can designate some parking spaces for 'small cars' if that helps.

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[hoshang]

another possible layout...

The setback of the front columns (offset 2.5m parallel to the 20m main street) is a requirement, as it's evident from Ground floor plan. Observe the glazing in the front side of the Ground floor plan. So, this layout can't be made.

 

[hoshang]

Hi all,
other opinions would be highly appreciated.

 

[hoshang]

You need to determine the best parking layout first, then locate your structure.

With the requirements in the previous posts, this is the best the Architect can do. Would my thought on 31 Dec 23 20:40 improve the parking and building framing?

 

[dik]

It's an odd shaped parking garage and would be difficult to design for vehicles and would be difficult for a seasoned parkade designer. It may be that parkade design is not your Architect's forte.

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[BAretired]

My suggestion: Move the north wall to the property line and park eight cars as shown. The advantage is that a portion of each car extends underground beyond the current north boundary, so it makes maximum use of the space. The hydraulic lift should align with one of the stalls.

Locate the stairs so they do not prevent access to parking stalls. With a bit of luck, you might find a ninth parking stall somewhere else.

 

[rb1957]

how about a parking aid ... like one of those robot vacuum cleaners (a la Roomba) ? something that could spin on it's axis, 360 degrees ??

The problem as I see it is all our options are taken away ... the building is the shape it is, the floor uses are defined and unchangeable, the structure is where it is ... ie nothing can change.

And none of this is addressing the original question, which seems to me to be the center of mass of the building is offset from the center of the foundation (because of the overhang).

Rearranging the cars is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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[Eng16080]

Concerning the parking, I'm confused how the original layout could possibly be considered reasonable/useable by anyone. Will the building have somebody on staff to park the cars for the residents? Most of the spots are blocked by other spots so it's unclear how a particular tenant would have access to their spot. Or perhaps this is just part of the approval process to show a certain number of cars tetrised into the floor space, even if the layout is useless in reality.

This is probably the worst parking layout I've ever seen.

 

[rb1957]

I think it was "we have to have 15 parking spots (for 15 apartments)" not "we have to have 15 usable parking spots".



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[dik]

My comment, "It may be that parkade design is not your Architect's forte."

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[ThomasH]

The parking layout is in my opinion useless. But when I look at the floor with apartments I am not impressed by that either.

If I assume that a room with a cross is some type of shaft (for example for ventilation) it gets interesting. There are a number of rooms with windows into shafts, perhaps some type of light intake but it still looks weird. Regardless of that, it should be easy to move the inner columns vertically in the walls. That could be useful for improving the parking.

hoshang:
You have had a number of suggestions regarding how to improve the parking layout, all have been shot down referring to requirements. If I assume that some of the requirements come from the client, perhaps you should inform the client regarding the consequences of the requirements.
What is your responsibility in this?

 

[hoshang]

Move the north wall to the property line and park eight cars as shown.

Can't be moved. It's a requirement to setback substructure 1m from the property line.

Regardless of that, it should be easy to move the inner columns vertically in the walls. That could be useful for improving the parking.

Can you elaborate more on this?

 

[ThomasH]

Can you elaborate more on this?

I don't think it needs more information. But if you look at dik's post from 31 Dec 23 21:28, he moves a column in Grid line B and instead of two cars near the staircase there is a possibility for three cars.

Another option is if you take BAretired's post from 4 Jan 24 01:18, say that you remove two cars at the bottom corner near Grid line A. Then it might be possible to add a line of cars along Grid line A.

That's why I asked about your responsibility in this? If you have an interest in fixing this, asking people to "elaborate" will probably not fix is since we don't know all the constraints.

But you need to start testing different layouts. After all, it can't get worse .

 

[hoshang]

If you have an interest in fixing this, asking people to "elaborate" will probably not fix it since we don't know all the constraints.

Every time I received a reply and it violated the constraints, I explained the requirement. Now you know the requirements, what would be the best approach?

 

[ThomasH]

Every time I received a reply and it violated the constraints, I explained the requirement. Now you know the requirements, what would be the best approach?

Don't you have any ideas of your own?

In the first layout you have 7 cars, excluding the car in the lift. BAretired has 8 cars but violates a constraint. Fix that problem and than continue to try to solve the complete layout. Somebody has to do some work in order to fix this. Is it part of your assignment or is it somebody else that should fix it?

 

[BAretired]

The best approach is to find a parking scheme which works, then worry about where the columns go. You have to leave enough room for the cars to maneuver. Otherwise, you'll be having collisions. The plan below is by no means ideal, but it is a little better than your original scheme.

I'm wondering about the justification of a hydraulic car lift. It means there will be a permanent large opening between the two parking levels. Among other concerns, is this acceptable from a fire safety point of view?

 

[rb1957]

How does the arrangement of the parking affect the offset between the center of mass of the build (presumably a uniform distribution) and the center of the foundation (AIUI) as posted in the opening post ?

AIUI, the building has a significant overhang, causing this offset ... that's what I see in the pix on the "29th 22:23" post.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[hoshang]

The plan below is by no means ideal, but it is a little better than your original scheme.

Thanks for your effort. Where the septic tank should be located in your scheme? Also for the apartment floor, your scheme has too much corridor between the stairs (main stair for daily use and an emergency stair for fire exit etc.) Not enough area will be left for the apartments and opening area (20% of total area requirement), isn't it?