Climate change political solutions. Australia goes down the gurgler. 8

[GregLocock]

Our glorious new ruling party is about to enshrine a 43% reduction in CO2 by 2030. They are also, in a fit of not joined up thinking, intend to increase the population by 4% in the same time frame, by immigration. They'd also like to see more tourists.

I suggest by 2027 the entire target net zero project will have been repeatedly demonstrated to be effectively impossible, and of course meaningless, so it's time to get the beer and popcorn out.

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[GregLocock]

There is absolutely a free pass for developing countries, which is why China insists it is still a developing country. I think that for many countries that is reasonable, but I think that it gets silly when poster boys like the Maldives moan about climate change while building new concrete runways to allow more oil fueled jumbo jets to bring in first world tourists.



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[Guest102023]

The only thing ‘developing’ about China is their Belt & Road plan, aka world domination.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Tomfh]

Maybe there isn't even a plan on how to achieve that goal?

Of course there isn't. This is climate politics, not a real plan. It's about slogans, it's about targets, it's about showing "commitment". It's how it's been for many decades. Remember in the early 2000s it was 20-20-20? I.e. 20% reduction below 1990 levels by 2020? Everyone's forgotten about that, and now it's 43% (AUS), 51% (USA), 55% (EU) and 68% (UK) by 2030. In 2030 when those numbers fail to materialise it'll be something different again.

 

[dik]

Hokie, For Covid, it doesn't matter... if you take a look at all the countries with over 100M population you have the following:

I don't have to make them look worse; they do it by themselves. The US population isn't published, so it's not on the list. The US population is about 331 million (give or take a couple). They have roughly 1,056,905 deaths which gives them 3193 deaths per million... Brazil is a close second, but the US is still at the top, which says a lot. I'm not being selective... but to prevent a few deaths in a small country from taking the lead... I've limited it to countries in excess of 100 million, for covid, too.

For carbon footprint, there are a lot of middle eastern countries that have a large per capita, but they have small populations... they are, nonetheless, still part of the problem.





So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

Covid death rates are a very reliable indicator of national leadership quality, by which I mean lack of quality.

Drumpf, Bolsonaro, the Two Borises…

EDIT: Bojo and Vladimir, obviously. The old boozer Yeltsin is long dead.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

Be more like China, got it.

 

[dik]

Greg... it's still pretty ugly. China is at the top, but when you look at the per capita value, they drop a tad:

but on a per capita basis, you have China, Germany, Australia, the US and Japan are pretty close. India is about 1/3.

and if you're looking for per capita production (Australia is not looking so good):

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[TugboatEng]

As engineers we should all know the importance of units. Who cares what the number of operational plants is? That lacks sufficient context to make judgement. We really need to know the watt-hours of coal fueled energy produced by each country, or even better the mass of coal consumed.

Just another example of using data to evoke emotion instead of convey information.

 

[dik]

Sorry tug... that's why I posted the last screen... since you can have big units and not so big ones... If you had have read Greg's question, "why not post the per capita number of coal plants by country dik?". That's the reason I included the last screen.

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[hokie66]

Coal production in Australia looks excellent, IMHO. But a lot of that coal is metallurgical coal, and the steaming coal is high quality, low sulfur coal. Until other options can replace coal, little (in population, not size) is more than pulling its weight.

 

[dik]

For countries with over 100M population, based on their energy production per capita using coal, based on TWh:

China is at the top with 3.218, the US is next at 2.338, Japan is next at 2.180 and India is near the bottom at 0.672. Time permitting I'll see where gasoline sits...

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[TugboatEng]

Good point about the quality of the fuel, hokie. That varies widely and low sulfur fuels are very important. That will bias regions that CAN produce them.

We should understand the consequences IF Australia stops exporting coal.

 

[hokie66]

That won't happen any time soon. If Queensland stops exporting coal, gas, and minerals, the state might as well shut its doors. Royalties are propping it up.

 

[GregLocock]

CO2 emissions would increase if Australia stops exporting coal. ABC factcheck agreed.

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[Guest102023]

What is Queensland, a third world resource supplier with no other economy?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Tomfh]

What is Queensland, a third world resource supplier with no other economy?

Australia's minerals industry is an important one. It is only natural that Australia supplies the world. The world needs the resources. Australia needs the money from selling them. It is what it is. No pledge to cut 43% is going to change that.

 

[hokie66]

stoner, Yes.

 

[TugboatEng]

I think I need to correct you Brim. Australia is an "aspirational" world supplier. Australia provides nations with the materials they need to make themselves better.

 

[dik]

That might be challenged...

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[1503-44]

Technically a gurgle is just a typical sink drain. Toilets definitely go WHOOSH.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."