Climate change political solutions. Australia goes down the gurgler. 8

[GregLocock]

Our glorious new ruling party is about to enshrine a 43% reduction in CO2 by 2030. They are also, in a fit of not joined up thinking, intend to increase the population by 4% in the same time frame, by immigration. They'd also like to see more tourists.

I suggest by 2027 the entire target net zero project will have been repeatedly demonstrated to be effectively impossible, and of course meaningless, so it's time to get the beer and popcorn out.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[dik]

I told my mom a couple of decades back, when she asked me the same question, that I'll die a child. I still retain my childhood enthusiasm and curiosity. I hope I never lose it.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

careful dik ... at some stage of your life child-like behaviour gets re-labelled as "senile".

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

Thanks for the caution...I'm afraid when I lose my curiosity that will be when I get old...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[enginesrus]

In the end carbon has zero to do with climate or weather. Planetary alignments ie gravitation, solar energy, winds aloft, and high and low pressure areas that are properly positioned are the cause.
The climate is similar to food plants burning, etc. etc.

 

[Guest102023]

enginesrus,

I urge you to publish your independent findings.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[JoshPlumSE]

The cartoon is a bit tasteless and repeats the bad argument that contributing relatively little should give them a carbon reduction bye.

I have to disagree. I thought the cartoon was hilarious. Especially, with the little Greta Thunberg gal saying "how dare they!". That was genuinely good humor.

It also points out the futility of the US and Australia and such trying to get rid of coal when China is ramping up their coal plants faster than we can shut ours down.

I'm 100% for replacing our coal plants with less problematic forms of energy. However, we have to do something about China too. Personally, I think it should be tariffs on any importing of goods created in regions that heavily rely on coal based power.

 

[dik]

There's no doubt that China should be cutting back on their fossil fuels... but the US still has nearly twice the CO[sub]2[/sub] footprint as China. Little seems to be done to eliminate/reduce this. Just because China is using coal is no reason for the rest of the world to quit CO[sub]2[/sub] reduction.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[JoshPlumSE]

but the US still has nearly twice the CO2 footprint as China

I don't think that's still true. It used to be true. But, China's economy has skyrocketed in recent years. Largely on the back of manufacturing and coal power.

Just because China is using coal is no reason for the rest of the world to quit CO2 reduction.

I totally agree. We have to get our own house in order, right? But, we are making lots of progress. You can argue that it's not enough or not happening fast enough. But, we have seen a dramatic reduction in coal power in the US. A big expansion of clean energy. Even a big move towards greater fuel efficiency in our autos.

However, we have to use "economic" means to encourage those nations that want their good sold in the US market to make similar changes.

 

[Guest102023]

I have to disagree. I thought the cartoon was hilarious

Then you are easily amused.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

Unless you have more recent numbers... from a recent posting (these are 2020.
China's CO[sub]2[/sub] from Coal is nearly 2x.):

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I could tell from the production of SUVs, trucks, Hummers and high proformance vehicles... Just smoke and mirrors by marketting.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

As soon as the gasoline price drops, consumers rush out to buy gas hogs, thinking the price will never go up again. Then they whinge when it does.

Rinse and repeat.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Guest102023]

Interesting table dik, which captures the data that governments argue about at climate conferences.

Would be useful to have a final column showing the products of Pop X Per capita CO2.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

??? Do you mean the population x the per capita value... easy to do... multiply column 3 by column 7. I have all the data in CSV form. I typed the above data into a spreadsheet before I had the raw data.

Problem is that China has 4.3 times the population of the US and India has 4.25 times the US population. Their total CO[sub]2[/sub] values are used to point the finger at the huge CO[sub]2[/sub] footprint they have... not correct based on population. It's also the reason for not doing anything until they reduce their CO[sub]2[/sub] footprint.

Everyone has to cut down on their carbon footprint... even now, it may be too late.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Updated... see how the effects are reversed if you consider the population... makes the badguy look like the goodguy!

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Why is it so important to weigh CO2 per capita? Much of China's CO2 gets exported as manufacturer goods. Should it be the supplier or the consumer that gets punished for the CO2?

 

[dik]

It's very important... it shows who is really producing the CO[sub]2[/sub] and where the cuts have to start. On a person basis, India person produces 1/10 the carbon footprint as American person... guess who has to cut down the most? I'll check into it, but as I understand things, the China footprint includes CO[sub]2[/sub] produced to manufacture US items. I don't know who picks up the 'transportation carbon'?

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

That's the wrong approach. We should be looking at the value provided by each CO2. The CO2 emitted by a private jet flying John Kerry to Switzerland for a climate change conference provides little value (negative value really). The CO2 produced mining for uranium ore provides high value.

 

[dik]

I disagree that it's the wrong approach... I agree that for the Climate conferences, everything should be done by teleconference and not 'in person'. They have to set the example, and they are not. In addition there are 1000 people attending the site location for a 'working holiday'. This has to stop... Even Greta used a sailboat for her one attendance... Private planes are one of the first things that should be trashed...

https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-celebrities-ranked-on-private-jet-co2-emissions-2022-7

...and these are just some of the changes that have to be made. It could get really ugly.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

A boat made primarily of glass reinforced polyester plastic and coated in ablative anti-fouling paint dumping raw sewage into the ocean.