Hurricanes, Sea water, Corrosion and EV's 13

[enginesrus]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-florida-after-hurricane-ian/

It appears Li Ion battery's don't do so good with sea water, corrosion, and hurricane's. Many other threads on the net explain the tons of water
that the fire people need to attempt to extinguish the fires. I would like to see the pollution figures of an EV fire.
And on topic the pollution figures of all operations required to manufacture those battery's.

 

[dik]

Electric cars are really great with hydro or nuclear electricity... using gas or coal fired powerplants for producing power defeat the 'greenness' of them.

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[JohnRBaker]

Electric cars are really great with hydro or nuclear electricity...

And what about solar and wind...

Note that a large number of people who've installed solar panels on their homes also drive EV's (or is it the other way round):

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/25/ev-ownership-rooftop-solar-ownership-new-report-charts/

When I was still visiting GM's Tech Center, in Warren, Michigan (back before I retired in 2016), employees who drove GM branded EV's could register to use one of a dozen or so (may be in the hundreds by now) solar-powered charging stations installed throughout the parking lot (the item below was from 2013):

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/solar-panels-general-motors-gm-tech-center

This article is from 2020:

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...s-evs-starts-its-own-parking-lots/4929221002/

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
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It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[TugboatEng]

When did CleanTechnica become a legitimate source of information?

From your second article it was a single station capable of charging UP TO 3 vehicles. At 49kW it's maximum rating is significantly less than the 120kW/65kW diesel powered charging station I linked above. We all know that solar doesn't run at maximum ever, I wonder how many vehicles it was actually capable of charging? Maybe the security guard's golf cart?

 

[JohnRBaker]

Keep in mind that that first article about GM was from 2013, when the only GM branded EV was the Volt, which was a plug-in hybrid.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[TugboatEng]

So 9 years later and GM couldn't pull it off in their own parking lot and now you celebrate our governor (Snowblower) who wants to do the same for the most populous state in 10 years, borne entirely by the residents, while blowing their entire tax budget on a high speed rail to Bakersfield (nowhere)?

 

[dik]

and solar and wind... any renewable non-carbon power source.

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-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

You're getting too pessimistic now, dik.

 

[enginesrus]

They can load up the charged batterys on a 747 and fly them to the areas of huge traffic jams like people escaping a coming hurricane. Oh yeah its not legal to ship them by plane.
Doesn't it also take as long to change an EV battery as it does an engine in a gas car?

Always have these supporter sites that clean up the bad press on something the agenda is pushing, you know just like Wikipedia.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/10/07/florida-state...

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

You can ship them by plane just cargo only.

 

[dik]

Nope... more like resigned. I have no idea of what's coming, and there is nothing can do. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out. If all is well, great; if not so well, not so great.

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[cranky108]

A couple of things occured to me.
What if you wanted to launch a boat with your electric vehicle? Should at least part of the vehicle be surmagable?
Or what if it rains, and one were needing to drive through some standing water?

What if one were to put a charging station outside a casino? Would that encourage gambling?
May be investing in charging stations in Nevada is a good idea, but only if you also own a casino, and a bar.
Maybe a gun range in other states. Or some side tourist attraction, even if it is bad.
Maybe an extra for a laundromat (and bar). Or an arcade.

 

[SnTMan]

JRB, the Sparkcharge unit appears to be battery powered, it seems it is not the equal to the Larson unit...

Looks to me like the car makers want and need EV mandates lest they be left holding big, expensive bags

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[JohnRBaker]

I was referring only to your comment about having a mobile charging service, not necessarily the source of the power used to charge an EV from a mobile unit. That being said, by depending on batteries, it allows the operator to choose the primary source for their power, which could be a solar array at their place of business or a tie into a supplier who depends on more renewable sources like solar or wind.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[SnTMan]

Yeah, I get it, it just doesn't allow them to stay on the road all day charging dead cars. Maybe they can get back to the barn and swap batteries.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[Factoter]

Race to the bottom, maybe liminal prospect psychology. Electric vehicles are the very humblest of cars, “look ma’ no moving parts”, instead they presume self-importance based on some spurious Al-gore-rithms, and self-immolate at the slightest offense. Not that anyone else can boast, current automotive strategy is to cram as much turbo as possible under the hood, nd cross your fingers.

 

[SnTMan]

I got no problem with people spending their own money to buy whatever kind of car their heart desires

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[dik]

Unfortunately, people aren't purchasing transportation based on the carbon footprint. This will likely change.

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[SwinnyGG]

Unfortunately, people aren't purchasing transportation based on the carbon footprint. This will likely change.

Not a chance. People generally do not care. Maybe 1% of the population actually has a strong opinion, and maybe 1% of that 1% is willing to compromise their quality of life to reduce their carbon footprint.

 

[dik]

The choice may not be theirs, in the future.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

Yeah, like in China. Get real. What are those stars for? Maybe they should be red.