Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 10 79

[SFCharlie]

A continuation of our discussion of this failure. Best to read the other threads first to avoid rehashing things already discussed.
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 02
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 03
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 04
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 05
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 06
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 07
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 08
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 09


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[Spartan5]

I have the leading theory and didn't even read what you copied.

 

[Demented]

^Lulz

It’s indexed as 2021_06_23. I believe the flyover was the 22nd as all the other usable imagery from the 23rd is partially obscured by cloud cover.

There isn’t a geospatial metadata file along with it and no date in the exif data to provide the exact time.

23rd had no sargassum cleaning I do recall as well.

I think it's more likely the 21st. We had those showers and cloud cover every afternoon until ~3 except for that Monday which was clear blue skies from 10 to 2, give or take 30 minutes. Roads look dry but some roofs have pooled water.

 

[JStructsteel]

Does anyone know how many layers of paint there was on the building? I have a theory.......

 

[gonefishing2]

I hope it does not come out the ass end of the cow, like some of the narcissistic on this 'dark' forum.......


Clarification: Comment directed in sync with these two quotes, and not ‘at’.

 

[Demented]

Aprox. 1/2 layer. The paint didn't stick well, except for where it trapped water against the building. Because you know, water proofing concrete with latex paint is super duper awesome yo.
Dead horse in there somewhere.

 

[dik]

oil based paints don't do so well with the alkalai concrete surface... you get a chemical 'soap'. You have to use a proper coating.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Demented]

No oil based paint. Acrylic, Vinyl Acrylic, and Acrylic Laytex only on the exterior. The exterior painting was a continuous waterproofing project.
But yes, you have to use a proper coating.

Paint isn't going to stick on the ocean side anyway. It's constantly getting sandblasted. I'd pay some good money for paint that can handle 3 months of being sand blasted without wearing away.

 

[gonefishing2]

Take Away: Keep it local so that it can be controlled locally.....
Investigations
Miami-Dade County Seeks Forensic Engineer to Probe Champlain Towers South Disaster

Miami-Dade Equitable Distribution Program
For its forensic consultant, Francisco M. Caldera, the capital improvements project analyst in the county's small business division, emailed on July 28 a request for qualifications, called an "equitable distribution program survey," to dozens of firms in the EDP program.

The county's EDP establishes a county pool of qualified local architects, engineers and landscape architects and provides a process to equitably distribute smaller county capital improvements projects, according to the county.

All qualified firms with a local Miami-Dade office may potentially participate in the EDP program, which is “not only a minority and/or small business program. However, the ranking method favors the smaller firms with fewer previous county work opportunities,” says the county.

https://www.enr.com/articles/52176-...neer-to-probe-champlain-towers-south-disaster

 

[dik]

...after all the evidence is gone.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Demented]

It's not gone, it's in their possession. They're looking to move forward with a criminal probe much faster than the NIST report would allow them to, so they don't want to be sitting around waiting.

Most importantly, they're wanting to find any unsafe modifications that may be done to other buildings that could have led to the collapse. CTS is not the only building with a colorful history such as we've seen, and a lot of the same crews have done a lot of the same work on other buildings. There's huge questions over many buildings.

 

[SFCharlie]

Please, Let's treat each other with respect. The corruption and politics surrounding Champlain are bad enough...

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[SFCharlie]

Sea rise under scrutiny in condo collapse: Corrosion likely, but no sign of sinkhole
Even if there is no sea level rise here, the article goes on to say that everything is still under consideration. ...also tidbits about what's been going on under the radar...

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[Demented]

“We’re chasing like 50 different things and trying to understand them one at a time,” said Allyn Kilsheimer, the independent structural engineer that the town of Surfside hired to investigate the collapse.

Yep

Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge

 

[SFCharlie]

THIS is exactly what I pointed out in Part 1, FYI...

Yes, I recall that, I doubted you then, but after looking at the frame by frame enough times for my wife to start making fun of me, I'm now sure you were right in the first place! Good call!

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[Optical98]

If they want a forensically investigated report with credibility, they need to hire outside the state of Florida. They don't need NIST, with the substantial evidence provided and tools available, to say it could take Years is utter bs. The only thing not done yet, is to access the pilings...everything else is in hand.

 

[Demented]

everything else is in hand.

As far as I am aware, there's still a roughly 2 year span of documents missing regarding this building. Permitting applications, plans, inspection reports, code violation reports, etc.

 

[Red Corona]

It would be really good to see a higher res version of that video - not even the whole thing (I have no particular wish to watch people on balconies getting crushed) but even just a still of the first couple of frames. I'm still not seeing the same thing with that vertical band and which floor has the 12th floor full width balcony as most of you guys, and that's because it all falls between the pixels.

Though @Santos81 is in the investigation group and has presumably seen the real thing? So I guess you can tell us for sure which floor is which and whether that piece of floor 13 is missing/collapsed at the start?

> The single remaining stairwell dumped out into the pool deck (collapsed) and parking (flooded.) FYI, in most jurisdictions except City of LA (in my experience) this is still allowed.

This is one of the most shocking things for me, how neither of the emergency stairwells had a good safe exit. Yes, the western one did have an exit at ground level, but not really into a safe space; even discounting a collapse, it wouldn't be great if the garage or significant parts of the ground floor were on fire. Emergency exits should take you out onto the street outside the property.

 

[Optical98]

Demented

"there's still a roughly 2 year span of documents missing regarding this building."

They can't wait around on those, they could have been destroyed. Put a team together to interview known contractors and subs that did work there, they should have their own paperwork. Get the accounting records to get a list of vendors ...payables and look into the asset recordings....follow the money.

Meanwhile, get the physical studies started.

 

[Demented]

That's already being done.

Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge

 

[Auri]

This is one of the most shocking things for me, how neither of the emergency stairwells had a good safe exit.

I see no issue with stairs exiting directly to the pool plaza. Having to go through the lobby interior is more dangerous in a fire. In collapses/quakes, the front lobby doors wouldn't have been safe because there'd be a building above you; pool plaza would be the fastest way to get away, and both elevator and stairs exited there separately.

The only way for the eastern staircase to exit out of building is for it to be built at edge of building, which it wasn't 40 years ago.