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The NTSB held their hearing yesterday. I haven’t had the time to watch the full 3-hour presentation, but the board had some very harsh words against Tesla, the NHTSB and Apple (for not having a company-wide policy against using personal electronic devices while driving).

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On the latter point, it's against the law in California, and there is signage telling drivers about this, so company policy is superfluous and encroaching on personal privacy, since the driver was driving their personal vehicle.

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IRS: "On the latter point, it's against the law in California, and there is signage telling drivers about this, so company policy is superfluous and encroaching on personal privacy, since the driver was driving their personal vehicle." Politicians never seem to learn that you cannot protect all people from stupidity by legislation... that's why they have Darwin awards.

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IR Stuff, I thought it was interesting that the NTSB made such a point of company policies against using PED’s while driving too. In this case, while the deceased driver was using a personal vehicle he was also distracted by playing a game on his Apple-owned PED. Since the crash occurred while he was using his work-phone, perhaps the NTSB felt that companies (tech companies especially)should emphasize safety by having their own policies. They made a huge point of noting the NTSB rules on driving while using a PED.
 
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Politicians never seem to learn that you cannot protect all people from stupidity by legislation... that's why they have Darwin awards.
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I think you miss a point. The law is also to protect the two people that might have died in that same accident because they were behind the nutter. If the Darwin awardees die in single-car accidents, that's one thing, but it's essentially involuntary manslaughter had either of the other two drivers died. Moreover, had the Tesla driver not died, but was seriously injured, they would have burdened someone's insurance, one way or another. This type of accident could have easily generated injuries that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars that everyone else has to pay for. As it was, two other cars were probably totaled, so auto insurance sucked up those losses as well, and one of the other drivers was injured, and likely incurred lost work time and medical care.


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Similarly, had the California DOT put up barrels or an energy absorbing device at a place that has, at least 3 times before, been hit by human controlled cars, no one else would have been involved. CALDOT designed an interchange that was unnecessarily and observably dangerous.
 
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No doubt... but, it's silly to try to legislate against stupidity...0.08 is there, and they still have DUIs.


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But, the same argument applies; a 0.08 is a danger to EVERYONE else on the road with the sot. If you're going to get to higher than 0.08, you should do it at home, so that you can't fubar someone else's life. Too often, the drunk survives the crash and kills one or more people. If anything, the law is too lax. A first offense should do time, PERIOD.

There are already something like 2 million people who drive drunk at least once a month. That's 2 million bullets everyone else has to dodge.

The Yakuza have a method that's pretty effective; the offender loses a finger. There are very few Yakuza with more than one missing finger.

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IRStuff said:
A first offense should do time, PERIOD.
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Playing a bit of devil's advocate here, but...

Plenty of drunk drivers have done significant time in jail... yet they continue to get drunk and drive. SWMBO and I enjoy watching Live PD, and hardly a show goes past where someone pulled over (often for failure to maintain lane, i.e., weaving) is drunk and has prior convictions for DUI. One guy we saw was released just that morning for DUI, and he was already at it again.

I'm all for stiffer penalties, but until that penalty for the first offense is death, there will always be folks who go back to their own vices.

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"I'm all for stiffer penalties, but until that penalty for the first offense is death, there will always be folks who go back to their own vices."

What if the penalty for DUI offenders was take away your license vehicle for one month for each offense. 3 offenses = 6 months without a license vehicle.

 
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Wandering back to the topic at hand ...

Spotted today, on a section of motorway with snow blowing across it leading to slush built up between the lanes and occasionally across the whole road. And what do we have here, a Tesla Model 3 approaching from behind in the next lane. Hmm, driver is looking down, probably at a phone, with a hand kinda touching the steering wheel.

I'm pretty sure that system isn't designed to cope with slush and snow.
 
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What if the penalty for DUI offenders was take away your license vehicle for one month for each offense. 3 offenses = 6 months without a license vehicle.
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That's easy; they drive without. At some point, the punishment severity is too high to be practical. Given that so many people are living paycheck to paycheck, any perturbation to the ability to work sends them off to the poorhouse or onto the street, where they increase their burden society

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IFRs said:
What if the penalty for DUI offenders was take away your license vehicle for one month for each offense. 3 offenses = 6 months without a license vehicle.
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I had considered that, but all too often they end up driving someone else's car (something I'm still stunned happens as often as it does... NO ONE outside of my own family drives one of my cars unless it's an emergency!). Plenty of times I've seen someone pulled over on Live PD, only to find out their license is invalid. Instead of towing the car, the officers typically let someone come and pick the car up... but the car is often owned by a family member (or "friend"), not the actual driver.

Perhaps such a penalty would reduce the amount of people lending their vehicle to others, but that would be difficult for people who share a vehicle, etc.

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