Texas power issues. Wind farms getting iced up (Part II)... 38

[1503-44]

Always nice to know where the nodes are and what part of the grid they are in.

 

[RedSnake]

Yes, do you not like to play blind buck ?

BR A

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[1503-44]

I never follow the masses, especially when I can see where they are going.
I expect you already knew that.

 

[RedSnake]

Yea I did
Just wasn't shore you knew what a blind bock was ;-)

Best Regards Anna

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[cranky108]

Actually, de-regulation, was not an opening up of the electric markets. If you believe that, you should ride your unicorn somewhere else.

De-regulation, was nothing but a different type of regulation. Stupid thing like I am not allowed to give some specific information to some of my co-workers (like project timelines).

Electric grids are designed by Transmission planners who plan needed changes from electric node to electric node. Power plants are normally placed in locations to the electric grid, fuel, transportation, and land available. Transmission planners do have groups that trade information between companies. (I actually don't know why I am defending planners, they should be doing that themselves).

Plant operators, do have economic concerns in mind, and many are more concerned about the EPA then winterizing, so it should be easy to see what the government wants done first. And yes CIP is more of a concern then winterizing, because there are fines being leveled for CIP, but not for winterizing.
In fact, the concerns about wireless mouse, as a CIP concern is more of a concern than winterizing.

No one wants FERC because the results they come up with don't make since, and look more like the results of wac-a-mole, which is why everyone keeps there heads down. No one wants a big fine for something that is industry practice.

 

[RedSnake]

EPA ??
CIP ??

I actually don't know why I am defending planners, they should be doing that themselves

It's okay and it's good for understanding better you than no one.
Maybe there isn't any around.

Best Regards A

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[1503-44]

Thanks. No worries. I read all of the lessons in the link I posted.
The chimps do good work 97.5% of the time.

 

[stevenal]

Environmental Protection Agency (US government Agency)
Critical Infrastructure Protection (NERC cyber security standards)

 

[RedSnake]

Thanks stevenal
Couldn't help seeing that you have a Swedish last name, good for you ;-)

BR A

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[Fischstabchen]

Cranky108,

Information shared by the transmission owner and operator must be shared equally to all the players. Companies would game the system if some market participants had an advantage. I never found this to be a problem due to the fact that engineering is completely unrelated to the group that participates in the electrical markets.

 

[1503-44]

https://www.naturalgasintel.com/texas-retail-power-provider-griddy-seeking-chapter-11-says-ercot-caused-financial-devastation/[/URL]]

Excerpts from link ...

Texas Retail Power Provider Griddy Seeking Chapter 11, Says ERCOT Caused ‘Financial Devastation’
Griddy said ERCOT was responsible for the “financial devastation” stemming from the storm.

Griddy CEO Michael Fallquist said ERCOT “made a bad situation worse” by leaving the scarcity pricing in effect “long after firm load shed instructions had stopped. Our customers paid 300 times more than the normal price for electricity during this period.”

Texas legislators have unveiled a series of bills in recent days to correct the failures that caused February’s crisis. One bill would prohibit REPs such as Griddy from offering wholesale-indexed products to consumers.

The “most significant” bill proposed so far is one that would direct PUCT <Public Utility Commission of TX> to initiate a rulemaking for weatherizing electrical systems, according to analysts at ClearView Energy Partners LLC.

In a note to clients, the ClearView team indicated that legislative proposals requiring PUCT to retroactively reprice wholesale markets during the storm period are likely to be introduced over the coming days and weeks.

The wellhead freeze-offs “were exacerbated by power outages to production equipment as oil and gas infrastructure was not considered critical…by most electricity distribution companies,”

“We estimate gas supply chain issues alone contributed to 10.3 GW of the 18 GW in outages at gas plants, led by wellhead freeze-offs.

In related news, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Tuesday he had accepted the resignation of PUCT’s Arthur D’Andrea, who was the only remaining commissioner still serving after the other commissioners resigned following the February crisis.

 

[dik]

They missed one... my dad had 3 ivory monkeys on a wood base... the fourth monkey was missing, he told me as a child was, "Do No Evil". Likely applicable in Texas.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[1503-44]

Meaning that they should not have turned off the gas company's electricity?

 

[JohnRBaker]

I heard somewhere where Griddy, the company responsible for most of those horror stories about people having their bank accounts wiped out by automatic payments covering their electric bills, has offered to refund people's payments IF they agree to not take them to court and sue for civil damages.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[1503-44]

Smart move on their part. If Griddy were to lose in court, then legal fees and damages would apply. I think they know that they should not have sold contracts with that much exposure to just anybody that could manage to click through.

Yes, I know the usual "buyer beware" warning, but that's why we have lawyers.

 

[RedSnake]

Could someone please explain, "during the week of February 14" does it mean the week before Sunday the 14:e?
Strange expression

Best Regards A



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[1503-44]

The week (usually from Sunday to Saturday, inclusive) that contained 14 Feb.

 

[JohnRBaker]

I don't think this item has been posted yet, and while it appears that the person responsible for this promise to Wall Street bankers, that they will be allowed to keep the profit they made off the people of Texas who suffered through the recent winter storm and the resulting blackouts, has lost his job, it's not clear from the article whether what he claimed will happen will now be reversed:

Some on Wall Street Profited off Texas Blackouts. In a Private Call, a Top Regulator Pledged He Would Try to Protect Their Windfall.

Public Utility Commission chairman Arthur D’Andrea apologized to investors last week for the “uncertainty” around its profits.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/wall-street-profited-off-texas-blackouts/

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[1503-44]

From the link,
"On Tuesday night, PUC chairman s Arthur o D’Andrea b, who was appointed chairman by Governor Greg Abbott less than two weeks ago, has resigned." Further says that there is an understanding that "gas price is set by the world market". Uhhh... Not that price Arthur.

Now this may just be the tip of the iceberg. A complete work-around to deregulation.
From 18 Feb, just saw it today. Pull back the curtains, and its a gentail, er, sorry, "gentailers".

http://www.energychoicematters.com/stories/20210218aa.html[/URL]]The whole purpose of deregulation was to break them <apart>. For some reason they are now called gentailers (generators + retailers) and they have been allowed to purchase companies like Ambit, Stream, Gexa, Cirro, TriEagle, Green Mountain, and the list can go on," the CEO of the REP said in the communication to the PUC. The CEO of the REP further noted that various holding companies which own REPs have also formed or purchased brokers, as the CEO noted that the Commission prohibits a REP itself from being a broker

 

[dik]

SAPO'd, comes to mind...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik