Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part IX 10

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Heck, the left has done this with nuclear apocalypse (that's when I was a kid in the 1980s).

That was a legitimate risk though wasn’t it?

Or are you referring to nuclear winter?

 

[JoshPlumSE]

That was a legitimate risk though wasn’t it?

Maybe around the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crises (1961 / 1962).

However, by 1980 (when I started hearing about it) the risk had pretty much ended. I remember sitting in on a school wide presentation in high school (say 1988) where they brought in scare mongers that used scare tactics for 45 minutes to try to convince us to become anti nuclear activists.

 

[dik]

On a positive note...it's still 90 seconds until midnight...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[CWB1]

The various nuclear apocalypse hypotheses all had a major flaw - they were based on propaganda that wildly exaggerated the strength of each bomb.

More recently, the govt's anti-smoking campaign had a similar flaw - it was based on wild exaggeration of the negative health effects of smoking.

 

[dik]

I know someone that has real estate on Bikini Atoll... is anyone interested in buying some?

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Things are cooling off, too...

https://e360.yale.edu/features/climate-change-upper-atmosphere-cooling

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[GregLocock]

Todays's weather report is brought to you by the Indian weather bureau. The annual frequency of tropical cyclones is falling. Annual Frequency of Cyclonic Storm (CS) between 1891 and 2016. Linear trend lines are indicated by dashed lines—black (1891–2018), blue (1951–2018). 10-year running mean is shown by a solid-green line. Source: Extreme Storms, Indian Meteorological Department, Govt. of India. Published June 13, 2020.

Assuming that cyclones are caused by temperature differentials, perhaps the decreasing temperature differential between the Arctic and the equator tends to suppress formation of cyclones, as has also been observed in the USA.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[dik]

Yup... and things could be different, or the same elsewhere...

"Climate change is helping Atlantic hurricanes pack more of a punch, making them rainier, intensifying them faster and helping the storms linger longer even after landfall. But a new statistical analysis of historical records and satellite data suggests that there aren’t actually more Atlantic hurricanes now than there were roughly 150 years ago, researchers report July 13 in Nature Communications.

The record-breaking number of Atlantic hurricanes in 2020, a whopping 30 named storms, led to intense speculation over whether and how climate change was involved (SN: 12/21/20). It’s a question that scientists continue to grapple with, says Gabriel Vecchi, a climate scientist at Princeton University. “What is the impact of global warming — past impact and also our future impact — on the number and intensity of hurricanes and tropical storms?”

Satellite records over the last 30 years allow us to say “with little ambiguity how many hurricanes, and how many major hurricanes [Category 3 and above] there were each year,” Vecchi says. Those data clearly show that the number, intensity and speed of intensification of hurricanes has increased over that time span."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hurricanes-frequency-danger-climate-change-atlantic

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

Did you read the rest of the article, or just the parts that support your viewpoint?

The team found no clear increase in the number of storms in the Atlantic over that 168-year time frame...More surprisingly — even to Vecchi, he says — the data also seem to show no significant increase in hurricane intensity over that time.

 

[dik]

I read the whole thing... one of the reasons I posted it. There's a lot of uncertainty out there, and I have no idea of where it is really going. I suspect it could get really ugly. The problem is that the consequences are too great to 'just let it happen'. I also read the attached first reference... it gets 'really heavy'.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Assuming that cyclones are caused by temperature differentials, perhaps the decreasing temperature differential between the Arctic and the equator tends to suppress formation of cyclones, as has also been observed in the USA.

Makes sense. Insulating your house evens out the temperatures inside. I've been saying this for years. Most of the climate change predictions seem to lack common sense.

 

[dik]

concur... and reduces the amount of fossil fuel required to heat/cool it.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

I have no idea of where it is really going. I suspect it could get really ugly. The problem is that the consequences are too great to 'just let it happen'.

I think this is the crux of where we disagree. I think because we "have no idea of where it is really going", that we should just "let it happen", i.e. not expend resources, limit productivity, or reduce the standard of living for the 'little people' (it's been clearly demonstrated the elites will not have their standard of living reduced), in an attempt to prevent something that may or may not happen.

Also, even drastic action by the US and a few other countries will have a negligible effect, anyway. I've heard the argument, 'but we have to lead'. However, in case you haven't noticed, everyone who matters isn't following.

 

[dik]

or, maybe we have to quit causing the problem?

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[SnTMan]

I don't usually post in this kind of thread, I don't much enjoy arguing to no purpose. But:

or, maybe we have to quit causing the problem?

Within 10 years or so, the whole of the developed world seems poised to convert wholesale to electric power with no apparent workable plan to provide said power. While the developing world seems poised to go its own way.

dik, what more would you have us do? Please, be specific.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[dik]

Maybe start doing stuff... there doesn't seem to be much progress.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

That's not at all specific, dik. We'd like to know specifically what legislation, regulations, etc. you'd propose.

 

[TugboatEng]

There is tons of progress. Every conventional powerplant that is replaced with combined cycle is huge progress. It never gets reported, though.

 

[GregLocock]

Quote (Science News article)
The team found no clear increase in the number of storms in the Atlantic over that 168-year time frame...More surprisingly — even to Vecchi, he says — the data also seem to show no significant increase in hurricane intensity over that time.

Trouble is dik, when you pull little tricks like that it just wastes our time.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[hokie66]

Yes, arguing with dik is a lot like wrestling with a pig in mud.