Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

For earlier threads, see:
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thread1618-497017
thread1618-497239
thread1618-497988
thread1618-498967
thread1618-501135
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[JoshPlumSE]

dik -

Economics doesn't seem to be your thing. If you read the rest of my thread (rather than just the first 2 sentences) you'll see that I clearly realized it was 23 separate disasters each with a estimated cost above a billion dollars.

I suggested using an average of $10 Billion dollar cost for each of the disasters which is more than it was listed in that article (which was something like $57 Billion). So, I exaggerated the cost by a factor of more than 4! So, I think that probably covers us for the last 3.5 months of the year. LOL

The main point of my response is how do we EFFICIENTLY spend the money we have to deal with climate change. The way I see it, we've got a few options:

a) Do we throw trillions and trillions of dollars at "magical" programs that just don't add up (like the Inflation Creation Act)? That only seek to make us feel better about being "green" and score political points with idiots. The problem with this is it's very, VERY expensive, doesn't come close to solving the GLOBAL problems that are causing climate change, and will also completely tank our economy at the same time.... Inflation, energy shortages and such.

b) Do we invest in proven technologies like replacing coal plants with nuclear or gas turbines and such? Maybe mandating a move away from 6 and 8 cylinder vehicles in favor of hybrid cars and trucks. This will not SOLVE the overall problem, but would still be moving us in the right direction without killing our economy.

c) Do we ignore the cause of climate change and merely invest in "adaptation" measures? Moving away from the areas that will be most affected. Building better in the areas that are affected. Maybe by moving power lines underground or upgrading ones that we can't move.

d) A combination of all three? Maybe with less of an emphasis on the unicorn farts we're currently spending so much money on.

 

[SwinnyGG]

the US has been hit with 23 disasters that each cost at least $1 billion.

Honest question: In your opinion, what percentage of that $57 billion that was spent on disaster relief or mitigation in all forms needed to be spent because of the direct results of climate change?

Or put differently, if the climate was operating at the steady state 1970 (or whatever year you want to choose) version of itself, without any other societal, economic, or infrastructure changes, how much of that $57 billion would have been spent anyway?

 

[dik]

I suspect that it's just a beginning, Swinny...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

I think JoshPlumSE hit on the real reason for natural disasters getting more expensive right at the beginning - more stuff built in disaster-prone areas, that's also more expensive to fix or replace (Thank you Biden for the massive inflation that made all of this possible)

 

[enginesrus]

Its time to watch your local weather broadcast, and see it is high and low pressure area's that is the cause of this extreme weather we are all having.
The real science that is denied.

 

[SwinnyGG]

I suspect that it's just a beginning, Swinny...

So your answer is 100% then?

 

[SwinnyGG]

Its time to watch your local weather broadcast, and see it is high and low pressure area's that is the cause of this extreme weather we are all having.
The real science that is denied.

Stop it. Your sources are the worst information posted in this thread. And that's an achievement.

 

[rb1957]

it'll be interesting to see how the next election in Canada shapes out ... one side for Carbon taxes, one side against.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

It will be interesting... and sad...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Not a fan of democracy?

 

[dik]

Sorry guy, and not to get political... Turdeau is a bad example. To think either of us live in a democracy is a myth (farse) propagated by politicans. Take a gander at the definition of Oligarchy.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

A feature of AGW (I have to get used to that term) elsewhere... A consequence of Western excesses... There could be thousands of deaths.

"The extent of the devastating damage is still being surveyed after widespread flooding and mudslides caused by torrential rain in Libya.

The worst-affected place is the port of Derna, much of which is under water after two dams and four bridges collapsed.

The storm system that brought severe flooding to Libya began more than a week ago as Storm Daniel over Greece.

Having brought record amounts of rain over a few days and widespread flooding to parts of eastern Greece, it slowly moved south over the Mediterranean.

With sea temperatures in the eastern Mediterranean above normal for the time of year, the storm system regained strength and added moisture before barrelling into the Libyan coast. It briefly became what meteorologists term a “medicane”

Impacts include rough seas, wind gusts reportedly of over 50mph and over a years worth of rain for some.

In the 24 hours between 08:00 Sunday and 08:00 Monday, Omar Al-Mukhtar University in Bayda recorded 414mm of rain, and the north-eastern town of Marawa received 240mm.

To put that in perspective, nearby Benghazi has an annual average of 270mm."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-66691046

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Umm, it's normal for Benghazi to get its annual rainfall within a few days.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

it'll be interesting to see how the next election in Canada shapes out ... one side for Carbon taxes, one side against.

Well, that's not the election that's most interesting. If we take a look at Europe it's the election once the COST to the public becomes apparent that becomes the most interesting one. Look at what happened in Denmark. The FARMERS basically took over the government. A political movement that didn't even exist in 2018 and which no one thought would have any power.... Well, as soon as the nation realized what the "green" initiatives were doing to their standard of living, their industries and their way of life there was a major revolt against it.

That's exactly what I expect to happen in Canada. Not in the next election, but maybe 5 to 10 years from now. And, when the pendulum swings, it's going to swing HARD.

 

[dik]

...killing thousands of people, too, I suspect.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

It's also normal for infrastructure to fail in Africa.

 

[hokie66]

You should applaud "killing thousands of people", as that will help to decrease AGW.

 

[dik]

Another hiccup that may be in the wind (for places other than Florida)...

"The well-documented exodus of big-name property insurers from Florida and other geographic areas subject to the onslaught of severe weather events now exacerbated by human-induced climate change has left many in the state with limited recourse to recover their losses after a hurricane hits. To avoid the fate of those insurers that have simply liquidated their assets through bankruptcy, these companies have made the logical business decision that the cost of insuring homes and businesses located in in areas most likely to sustain environmental damage is no longer commensurate with the risk. Consequently, many Floridians have either been priced out of the insurance market or compelled to seek insurance through Citizens Property Insurance Corp, a state-backed entity whose home insurance rolls jumped to a record two million policies in 2023."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...tail=emaildkre&pm_source=DKRE&pm_medium=email

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

It's a start... maybe there will be a much greater reduction in the carbon footprint.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[sbisteel]

No, that'll raise the per capita carbon emissions. Everyone needs to have 8 kids to do their part.