Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

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[GregLocock]

I think they are primarily interested in transport of gases around the world. The graph I posted of C14 is also relevant. The source of urea is organisms in the sea (having a wee?)

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[SwinnyGG]

It's also another terribly written article and I'm not really sure what it's conclusion was.

.....are you serious? Did you read it, or follow the link and read the paper it references??

The observations reveal an important but unaccounted-for source of reduced nitrogen and offer the first-ever observations of gaseous urea in the air.

The research, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, also reveals that urea can be transported over long distances through the atmosphere to benefit other environments that may be nutrient-deficient.

 

[dik]

...another feature of climate change.

"Australia has been battling for years to rid itself of the invasive cane toad, but to no avail.

Native to South and Central America, the creature was first introduced into the state of Queensland in 1935 to control beetles that were destroying lucrative sugarcane crops.

It soon escaped into the wild and now, despite regular and sometimes brutal extermination campaigns, has expanded its territory across the northern coast and into the west.

The cane toad is one of more than 37,000 alien species introduced – deliberately or inadvertently – by humans into environments around the world, according to a landmark United Nations report released this week.

In its first assessment since 2019, the UN Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (IPBES) said the number of invasive alien species was increasing at “unprecedented” rates, and that more than 3,500 of these were harmful.

“Invasive alien species are a major threat to biodiversity and can cause irreversible damage to nature, including local and global species extinctions, and also threaten human wellbeing,” Helen Roy, a professor at the UK Centre for Ecology and Hydrology and one of the assessment’s co-chairs, said in a statement."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...invasive-species-rising-at-unprecedented-rate

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[dik]

A BPS Tug... that's a very interesting web site you posted... I've pinned it in my browser. I'm actually a little surprised that you linked it. As an example, there's a really interesting article on 'glass'.

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[dik]

I'm not scared... just a casual observer... I'm too old and wobbly. My big concern is that the events of the last decade or two are a portent of much worse things to come.

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[BridgeSmith]

...another feature of climate change.

I don't see how that story relates to climate change. It's a story about the unintended consequences of human meddling in nature, without understanding the intricacies and delicate balances at play. Well, now that I wrote that, maybe it does have some application to the climate change debate...

 

[dik]

This 'stuff' is all interconnected. There could be some unintended or unknown consequences related to climate change that will have to be addressed. The changes may have an impact on other 'stuff'.

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[JoshPlumSE]

I don't see how that story relates to climate change.

It doesn't. Not even a little. If anything, the fact that dik somehow thought it did is an excellent example about how intelligent people who go "all in" on climate change belief, can delude themselves into thinking that EVERYTHING is related to climate change.

No offense to Dik, I like and appreciate many of his posts. But, this last link was totally non-sequitur for this forum.

When we (humans) try to "fix" what we see as environmental problems with our ecosystems, we often end up doing more harm than good. There is a long history of Yellowstone park trying to "manage" the wolf and elk populations.

Killing off the wolves to protect the Elk populations (and livestock).
An explosion of the elk population resulted.
The elk populations were so large they had a detrimental effect on the rest of the park and it's ecosystem.
Efforts to curb the elk by killing off large numbers of them, which was a temporary solution at best.
Eventually decided to reintroduce the wolf populations.​

Just all kinds of well intentioned actions that led to unintended consequences. This is one of the reasons why I am VERY skeptical of any "governmental" actions to "fix" the economy or the environment. Just look at history and you'll realize the government is TERRIBLE at this.

 

[GregLocock]

Koalas are cute, right? We shouldn't kill koalas. So we take them to a national park near me. There they kill all the gum trees, and die of starvation, or wander off into unsuitable cool climate rainforest, and die of starvation.

The headline photo is spot on

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05...-koalas-at-cape-otway-showing-results/8521148

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[BridgeSmith]

There is a long history of Yellowstone park trying to "manage" the wolf and elk populations.

Let's not forget the disastrous results of the forest/fire management that led to over half of the park going up in flames in 1988.

Just all kinds of well intentioned actions that led to unintended consequences. This is one of the reasons why I am VERY skeptical of any "governmental" actions to "fix" the economy or the environment. Just look at history and you'll realize the government is TERRIBLE at this.

Bingo!

 

[hokie66]

Cane toads. That's a new one for climate change alarmists. But the UN and aljazeera...why read that bunkum?

 

[Tomfh]

But, I prefer it when someone presents a rational justification why this event should reasonably be attributed to climate change.

They're working hard to cobble together this "science". The mission statement seems to be to establish a clear scientific link between climate change and extreme weather events. The same sort of scientific method we saw at work in climategate. Science following a predetermined conclusion, riding roughshod over data that doesn't support the preferred narrative.

These public statements linking every storm, fire, flood and hurricane to climate change are becoming more and more strident. Expect to see it intensify.

 

[GregLocock]

Attribution science, they call it.

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[dik]

They are just using them as examples of invasive species... with climate change, invasive species will likely happen.

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[CWB1]

Sooo....aliens?

 

[BridgeSmith]

with climate change, invasive species will likely happen

But is the spread of invasive species made worse by climate change, or does it happen just the same, regardless of the climate? Where's your evidence that climate change has any effect on the spread of invasive species?

 

[hokie66]

Where did these species invade from? They came by ship, air, or land. So transportation. Is there more transportation due to climate change?

 

[TugboatEng]

Remember, transportation causes climate change. Therefore, invasive species are a result of climate change.

 

[dik]

The inclusion of a new species in an area may be good and it may be not so good... it depends on if there are predators that can keep the population 'in check'. Often there aren't... look at all the cute little bunnies there are in Australia...

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[dik]

How's Australia doing?

"Until recently, acknowledging and tackling climate change proved a hugely contentious issue in Australia - famously playing a role in toppling three prime ministers in a decade.

The country is one of the world's biggest polluters per head of population, and it has failed to make any significant cuts to its core emissions despite signing up to global pledges.

But Australia is also a nation where the effects of climate change have become devastatingly obvious."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65606208

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