Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

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[hokie66]

Yes, adaptation to weather changes. That's what we have to do, and are doing.

 

[GregLocock]

There are also far more people living in the path of hurricanes.

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[SwinnyGG]

The story said that this is the most powerful storm to strike the area in 125 years.

Also likely that this number is gated by availability of data, not by quantitative analysis

In other words, 'most powerful storm ever measured' doesn't mean anything approaching 'most powerful storm ever' when the measurement period is extremely short compared to the whole of human history

 

[SwinnyGG]

Egregiously wrong? The article clearly stated that they are redefining what it means to die from heat...

It does say that. Two problems with your response:

1) You automatically assume that the previous version of the calculation must be correct, and that any change is political in nature. You cannot possibly know this to be demonstrably true, but you state it as fact anyway.

2) Your summary of the new 'definition':

In their new definition of you die during heat wave you died due to the heat wave.

Is categorically false.

 

[BridgeSmith]

'most powerful storm ever measured' doesn't mean anything approaching 'most powerful storm ever' when the measurement period is extremely short compared to the whole of human history

And given the much more limited measurement capabilities available 100 years ago, making any comparison to storms from that era has a wide margin for error. Most estimates of wind speed and storm surge would have been pieced together from observing the aftermath.

 

[TugboatEng]

You're complaints are all based on misinterpretations.

In other words, 'most powerful storm ever measured' doesn't mean anything approaching 'most powerful storm ever' when the measurement period is extremely short compared to the whole of human history

Who said anything about the most powerful storm ever? The point is that storms of this power have not happened repeatedly within the post industrial world meaning a change in frequency cannot be established and therefore do not have a clear link to CO2.

You automatically assume that the previous version of the calculation must be correct, and that any change is political in nature. You cannot possibly know this to be demonstrably true, but you state it as fact anyway.

In your mind do you believe any mainstream news outlet would publish any story that normalizes or minimizes any effect from climate change? How would such a study secure funding? It's ok to be skeptical.

Have we not learned anything from COVID? They will code deaths "with" as "by". My neighbor county, Santa Clara, got caught doing this hand had to cut their COVID deaths by 25%. Those are only the ones they got caught exaggerating. That's not a trivial number.

For future digestion, that same county still does wastewater treatment but stopped testing. If any of us are familiar with area under the curve we would see that there is WAY more COVID going around right now than at any point during the pandemic. Since fewer people are being tested the case counts are lower. I know it's a tangent but it's a data backed example of how statistics can be manipulated/misleading.

https://covid19.sccgov.org/covid-cases-wastewater

 

[SwinnyGG]

Who said anything about the most powerful storm ever? The point is that storms of this power have not happened repeatedly within the post industrial world meaning a change in frequency cannot be established and therefore do not have a clear link to CO2.

Uh.. yeah. Go read that post again a few times until you realize that what I said agrees with what you said.

It's ok to be skeptical.

It's not just OK - skepticism is a good and necessary thing in the right context.

But stating unverifiable things as fact isn't skepticism.

 

[dik]

Something to look forward to...

"It’s been a summer of norm-shattering extremes — with temperatures beyond human memory, catastrophic floods from Beijing to Vermont, choking wildfires and climate records tumbling on every continent.

Welcome to the rest of our lives.

To the scientists studying the planet’s warming, this season of heat deaths, burn-inducing sidewalks and coast-to-coast tropical cyclones is just a sign of the havoc to come as humans keep pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

The weather extremes are costly, deadly and probably coming faster and faster — but, perhaps even more worrying, they should not come as a surprise.

“There’s not a ‘weird’ acceleration happening” in the Earth’s climate, said Noah Diffenbaugh, a scientist at Stanford University. “There’s an expected acceleration happening.”"

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/01/summer-record-breaking-disasters-00113651

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[GregLocock]

Well he's certainly swallowed the blue pill. Since the apocalypse is upon us let's stop wasting money on futile CO2 reduction schemes and try a bit of adaptation instead.

Cheers

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[TugboatEng]

I'm still trying to figure this out. Does a zoology degree qualify one as a climate scientist?

 

[JoshPlumSE]

I'm still trying to figure this out. Does a zoology degree qualify one as a climate scientist?

Who are you referring to?

Obviously, this would be better than trusting Al Gore who has a BA degree in "government" though he originally wanted to major in English. In fact, his Wikipedia page says that he did very poorly in the math and science classes he took. I don't find that surprising at all. Not from the guy who claimed he invented the internet!

 

[TugboatEng]

The author of dik's last article, Chelsea Harvey. I've heard "experts say" one to many times so I'm going to look into the background (LinkedIn) of every expert named.

Also, I'm trying to figure out what it takes to become a climate scientist. It sounds like a very lucrative career.

 

[dik]

It's time for China to 'pay the piper', too.

"China's summer this year has seen both extreme heat and devastating floods.

And the flooding this time around has struck areas where such weather has been unheard of, with scientists - blaming climate change - warning that the worst is yet to come.

"I've never seen a flood here in my whole life," says 38-year-old Zhang Junhua, standing next to a vast patch of rice, now completely useless. "We just didn't expect it."

His family and friends are safe, he says, because they were given plenty of warning to get to higher ground, but everyone in his village now has some tough months ahead.

What's more, the devastation in north-east China's Heilongjiang Province has had a major impact on food supplies for the whole country."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-66616699

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[BridgeSmith]

It's time for China to 'pay the piper', too.

You're assuming the Chinese government cares about the plight of the peasants?

 

[dik]

or other governments...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[TugboatEng]

Speaking of China, the real cause of climate change:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mi...ese-communist-ideology-worker-retreats-report

Make people scared so they act irrationally and send money to China.

 

[BridgeSmith]

or other governments...

No, they don't care about other governments, either. Since China is the largest producer of pollutants and CO2, it really makes no sense for the US or other countries to damage our economies (and our ability to adapt to the effects of temperature changes), in order to cut emissions.

 

[dik]

Sorry Tug and Bridge... on a per capita basis, the US has nearly twice the carbon footprint. Clean up your own backyard before you start to clean up the neighbours...

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[dik]

...and China has coal. Is this a race to the bottom?

"California Gov. Gavin Newsom campaigned on shutting down Aliso Canyon, a gas storage facility that was the site of the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

Now, five years later, his administration is poised to inject even more gas into the sandstone chamber 8,500 feet beneath north Los Angeles in a bid to stave off energy price spikes and power shortages.

He’s also blessed extensions of gas and nuclear power plants that were scheduled to be closed. Keeping the lights on takes precedence over California’s clean energy goals, at least for now."

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/newsom-aliso-canyon-dirty-energy-blackouts-00113534

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

That record is scratched, dik. Plays the same thing over and over and over...