Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

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[TugboatEng]

Don't forget, according to climatology CO2 is a pollutant.

 

[dik]

Unfortunately CO[sub]2[/sub] is colourless... and it only takes a little bit to cause trouble.

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[dik]

From the recent Republican debate:

"Did humans contribute to climate change? That was the question from the Fox News moderators to the eight presidential hopefuls on stage.

After reading out some statistics from the deadly Hawaii wildfires, they played a clip from a member of the Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative youth activist organisation, who said climate was the number one issue for young people.

Asked to raise their hand if they thought mankind was to blame, not one went up. And only one candidate said climate change was real in the short discussion that followed.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis said it was childish to ask for a show of hands and instead laid into Joe Biden for the president's response to Hawaii.

Former UN ambassador Nikki Haley went the furthest in agreeing with the question by saying: "Is climate change real? Yes it is."

It was up to China and India to lower emissions, she said."

It could get a little scary...

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[SnTMan]

Politicians. Did you expect something different?

Regarding the 2024 presidential campaign, I'm already scared

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[CWB1]

Unfortunately CO2 is colourless... and it only takes a little bit to cause trouble.

Again irrelevant.
1. Both the capture and release are important to the environmental and health impact.
2. High levels of PM naturally yields high levels of COx. High levels of COx do not necessarily yield high levels of PM.

they played a clip from a member of the Young Americans for Freedom...who said climate was the number one issue for young people.

Somebody should ask that "member of the Young Americans..." if 60 is really the new 50 bc Main Street doesnt give more than a cursory care about the climate.

 

[dik]

More news about how the taxpayers money is being wasted...

"Record amounts of money are still flowing into fossil fuel subsidies two years after the world’s top economies pledged to cut them. In 2021, the UK, together with key partner Italy, hosted the COP26 climate summit, an event many believed to be the world’s best last chance to get runaway climate change under control. A key outcome of the summit was that dozens of nations pledged to end deforestation, curb CO2 and methane emissions and also stop public investment in coal power.
Two years later, all those promises have gone to the dogs, with developed countries spending huge amounts of public money funds on fossil fuels. According to the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD), a thinktank, G20 countries spent a record $1.4tn(£1.1tn) through 2022 on coal, oil and gas.
“These figures are a stark reminder of the massive amounts of public money G20 governments continue to pour into fossil fuels--despite the increasingly devastating impacts of climate change,” Tara Laan, a senior associate with the IISD and lead author of the study, has said."

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...-Subsidies-Exceed-1-Trillion-Since-COP26.html

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[TugboatEng]

That's not waste... Energy Vault is, Solyndra was.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Record amounts of money are still flowing into fossil fuel subsidies

I always wonder what a reporter (or politician) means whey they say the government is "subsidizing". When I got solar panels on my roof, I was promised a tax break of roughly 1/3 the price of the panels and installation costs. That's a genuine subsidy. Granted, it's delayed by about a year, because I don't get it until I file my taxes for 2023. If I had not finished the project I would not get that money. So, the subsidy is based on certain conditions.

When AOC criticized Amazon for getting $3 billion dollars in subsidies to move their headquarters to her district. Was it truly a subsidy? Not really. It was just a recognition that they were going to spend billions of dollars in this NY district which would be a boon to the economy. And, they wouldn't be taxed on those billions of dollars they spent.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/02/23/amazon-deal-reveals-aocs-lack-of-economic-smarts/

My guess is that you're "record amounts" of fossil fuel subsidies are similarly merely tax breaks associated with the company making certain investments in a community.

For example, would it makes sense (regarding CO2 emissions) for a government to subsidize a power company's replacement of a coal fired plant with a combined cycle gas turbine. Yes! It would result in dramatically less CO2 emissions per MW of power produced. But, likely that would be considered a "fossil fuel subsidy" in this article.

Now, this article does highlight certain policies in Germany that would re-open older plants that had shut down years ago. Why do you think this is? Could it be the reality of people dying of cold during winter months because the country was too reliant on natural gas from Russia that is no longer available? This is politicians responding to an immediate crises which was caused by a poorly thought out strategy of dealing with a PERCEIVED global warming crisis.

 

[SnTMan]

Gee, the "International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD), a thinktank".

Who could doubt them? I'm certain they don't take any government money, right?

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[enginesrus]

Climate change is created by man, and "HE" has stepped up the pace in the last 3 years.
Just listen to the disclosure whistle blowers, especially the ex Ratheon fellow.

 

[TugboatEng]

The chocolate bar guy?

 

[dik]

Effect of climate change on 'critters'...

"Helpless emperor penguin chicks perished at multiple breeding grounds in West Antarctica late last year, drowning or freezing to death when sea ice eroded by global warming gave way under their tiny feet, scientists have said.

Of five sites monitored in the Bellingshausen Sea region, all but one experienced a 100 percent loss of chicks, researchers reported in Communications Earth & Environment, a Nature journal, on Thursday."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/24/warming-decimates-antarcticas-emperor-penguin-chicks

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[TugboatEng]

“Such a strategy will not be possible if breeding habitat becomes unstable at a regional level,”

So they chose to monitor risky nesting areas and witnessed the results of risky nesting. The problem is not widespread according to the article. The problem doesn't exist at a regional level.

 

[dik]

might be causing some problems for people, too...

"This summer’s extreme temperatures have resulted in over 1,800 deaths in Spain, a shocking reminder of the previous year’s devastating heat.

Since June 1, the Daily Mortality Monitoring System (MoMo) of the Carlos III Health Institute has recorded 95,904 deaths. Of these, 1,834 have been directly linked to the scorching heat. The data shows a peak on August 12 with 79 deaths. However, the latest figures from August 22 indicate 68 heat-related deaths, though these numbers are continually updated, according to Nuis Diario.

‘The impact of heat isn’t merely a heat stroke, which is the least of concerns. The heat itself is a stress for the body,’ says Dominic Roye, Head of Data Science at the Climate Research Foundation (FIC). He, along with Aurelio Tobias from the Centre Superior of Scientific Investigations (CSIC) and Carmen Iñiguez from the University of Valencia, recently launched the Summer Heat Attributable Mortality in Spain (MACE) application."

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/08/25/heatwaves-claim-over-1800-lives-in-spain/

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[GregLocock]

And as we have established more people die of cold than hot.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[JoshPlumSE]

Greg -

My guess is that the climate alarmists also blame any cold weather related deaths on "climate change". Isn't that the whole point in the change in terminology from Global Warming to Climate Change?

 

[dik]

Yup... but the numbers for both could increase dramatically with climate change...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[SnTMan]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Yup... but the numbers for both could increase dramatically with climate change...pipe

See.... When it's cold it's because of global warming. When it's hot, it's due to global warming. When it rains too much....global warming. When it rains too little you guessed it... global warming.

I'm laughing with you a little bit dik. But, this is a great example of why the global warming alarmists have a tough time winning over skeptical people. These types of beliefs / statement come off as more "religious" than scientific.

 

[dik]

You might consider calling it climate change... could do either, and in some places, it might not do anything...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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