Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[GregLocock]

It's a pity the Bee didn't investigate why water crystallizes at the same season as Christas pudding consumption increases. Scientists should investigate that, after all in climate change correlation=causation. They call it attribution science.

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[dik]

I'm not advertising the company, but one of the links in my 'in basket' had information on electric Heat Pumps, and their green advantage.

Six Reasons to Use an Aegis Heat Pump Water Heater
There are many reasons why building owners prefer the Aegis heat pumps. Here are six of the major benefits you can reap from choosing a heat pump water heater system.

https://www.lyncbywatts.com/solutions/benefits-of-aegis-heat-pumps

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-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Let's simultaneously mandate heat pumps while banning refrigerants. Brilliant!

 

[dik]

Refrigerants can be green...

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[hokie66]

Yeah, putting some dye in refrigerants will make a difference.

 

[SnTMan]

Man, it is hot here today

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[GregLocock]

Even Bernie gets it
Bernie Sanders
Mon 21 Aug 2023 20.11 AEST



In recent years, the rapidly growing Chinese economy has eclipsed the US as the world’s major carbon emitter. Right now, China is building six times as many coal-fired power plants as the rest of the world combined – the equivalent of two new coal plants every week. Last year, they quadrupled the number of new coal plants approved compared with 2021. Current plans will see China add as much new coal to its grid as used in all of India, the second largest coal user, and five times more coal capacity as the US.

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[SwinnyGG]

In recent years, the rapidly growing Chinese economy has eclipsed the US as the world’s major carbon emitter. Right now, China is building six times as many coal-fired power plants as the rest of the world combined – the equivalent of two new coal plants every week. Last year, they quadrupled the number of new coal plants approved compared with 2021. Current plans will see China add as much new coal to its grid as used in all of India, the second largest coal user, and five times more coal capacity as the US.

I'm very happy about this.

The additional pollution isn't great but at least we can stop having to read arguments about 'per capita' coal consumption.

 

[dik]

Not on a per capita basis... they have nearly 5 times the American population. The US is nearly twice the Chinese... Politicians are overlooking this so they don't have to take any action. The recent hot spell and storms may only be a precursor to a much greater problem in the future.

In addition India has nearly 10 5 times the US population and their per capita output is approximately 1/10, the US.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[hokie66]

SwinnyGG,
Your state of happiness seems to have been disrupted.

 

[BridgeSmith]

In addition India has nearly 10 times the US population and their per capita output is approximately 1/10, the US.

I don't know about the carbon output comparison, but the population of India is 4.2 times that of the US, not 10 times. China's population is almost the same as India's.

Since you like comparing things on a per-capita basis, while you're looking at stats I linked to, notice that the population density of the US is 1/4 that of China, so there's one reason our energy consumption per capita is higher than China. Of course, the major contributor is our standard of living, which is substantially better. Do you want the standard of living of the vast majority of the people in China? I sure don't.

 

[hokie66]

No, he just wants to make the US the bad guy instead of the real bad actor, China. He must read the Global Times instead of the Global News.

 

[SwinnyGG]

If you really want to get into it, let's talk about energy consumption as compared to GDP.

China: ~2.2 kWh/$GDP (per capita)
India: ~1.45 kWh/$GDP (per capita)
USA: ~1.35 kWh/$GDP (per capita)

So, shocker, we are way more efficient with our energy than China is.

Isn't it great how this issue is actually fairly complicated and we can all find a statistic that says whatever we want

 

[dik]

My error on the population, you are correct. Carbon footprint, however, is:

Having a population of 5 times as great brings their per capita to 1/8 that of the US.

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[hokie66]

If you want to go back to the stone age, you are welcome to it.

 

[SnTMan]

hokie, I get the idea he only wants Americans to do so...

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[dik]

Not at all... the whole world has to get involved. Because Americans are near the top of the list, they should be setting an example. The includes all fossil fuels, not just coal...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[hokie66]

"Yabba dabba doo!".

 

[CWB1]

Per capita usage is irrelevant bc nature's ability to filter our emissions varies country-country with land size, density of population, and density of the greenery. The US is a dam clean place and China's polluted, end of story.