Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

For earlier threads, see:
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thread1618-497017
thread1618-497239
thread1618-497988
thread1618-498967
thread1618-501135
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[SnTMan]

It's a start...

So, dik, millions then? Billions?

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[rb1957]

@Josh ... this is "the next election". Trudeau brought in many of the carbon taxes (and hand-outs), and is planning to ramp things up. The other side is "revolting" and giving people an option. Dik will (putting words into his mouth) say it is "death or taxes" and it could be a case of OPM (Other People's Mortality).

Personally I think climate is way too complicated for us to appreciate, and to have confidence in pronouncements of either impending doom or required salvation.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

That's Turdeau ...and politically promoting pipelines.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

well it's best for politicians to have feet in both camps ... it saves them from putting their foot (feet?) in their mouth ...

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[SwinnyGG]

Still waiting on an answer to this question.

the US has been hit with 23 disasters that each cost at least $1 billion.

Honest question: In your opinion, what percentage of that $57 billion that was spent on disaster relief or mitigation in all forms needed to be spent because of the direct results of climate change?

 

[dik]

No idea Swinny... but judging from the artical:

"With four months still left in the year, the US has been hit with 23 disasters that each cost at least $1 billion, according to new data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, surpassing the previous annual record of 22 events in 2020.",

I would suggest the "...disaster relief or mitigation in all forms..." was on top of that expense. It adds up quickly when you do nothing to mitigate it.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Is their figure inflation adjusted? Prices are up 15-25% from last year and that more than explains the figure without even considering climate change.

 

[dik]

What, me worry? (with apologies to Alfred)...

"Human actions have pushed the world into the danger zone on several key indicators of planetary health, threatening to trigger dramatic changes in conditions on Earth, according to a new analysis from 29 scientists in eight countries.

The scientists analyzed nine interlinked “planetary boundaries,” which they define as thresholds the world needs to stay within to ensure a stable, livable planet. These include climate change, biodiversity, freshwater and land use, and the impact of synthetic chemicals and aerosols.

Human activities have breached safe levels for six of these boundaries and are pushing the world outside a “safe operating space” for humanity, according to the report, published on Wednesday in the journal Science Advances."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/13/world/planetary-boundaries-humanity-climate/index.html

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

according to a new analysis from 29 scientists in eight countries.

In what world does this add credibility to a scientific statement? Have we determined what qualifies one to be a climate scientist yet? Can you explain your latest comments that indicate spite for Western culture and your support for a mass die-off? Wil you answer SwinnyGG's question?

 

[SwinnyGG]

No idea Swinny...

So no idea and no opinion, but still cause for alarm?

And that makes sense/seems like a rational position to you?

 

[JoshPlumSE]

What, me worry? (with apologies to Alfred)...

Good one!!

 

[dik]

It may be a start...

"Rescue operations after a disaster are always difficult. But in a country with rival administrations, a decade of fighting and chronic instability, those operations are a logistical “nightmare”, says Tomasso Della Longa, a spokesperson from the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC).

“Libya one week ago was already complicated,” he says. And the floods have destroyed roads, communication and infrastructure to make an already complicated situation even more complicated.

Multiple reports have emerged of local Libyans criticising the international response. While he understands, he stresses the floods in Libya were "truly unbelievable” - and therefore so difficult to respond to.

“We use these words all the time, but I can tell you this time it’s unbelievable,” Della Longa stresses. Entire neighbourhoods of the city, and villages in other parts of the country were “wiped out” - words he does not use lightly, he says."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-66815068

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Methane and it's effect on AGW...

"Methane is responsible for around 30% of the rise in global temperatures since the industrial revolution, and rapid and sustained reductions in methane emissions are key to limit near-term warming and improve air quality.

Two key characteristics determine the impact of different greenhouse gases on the climate: the length of time they remain in the atmosphere and their ability to absorb energy. Methane has a much shorter atmospheric lifetime than carbon dioxide (CO2) – around 12 years compared with centuries – but absorbs much more energy while it exists in the atmosphere.

Methane also affects air quality because it can lead to ground level (tropospheric) ozone, a dangerous air pollutant. Methane leaks can also pose explosion hazards."

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-methane-tracker-2022/methane-and-climate-change

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I wonder where this will take us? What stops them from simply declaring bankruptcy?

"The US state of California has sued five oil giants for their alleged role in downplaying the risk posed by fossil fuels while causing tens of billions of dollars in damage, The New York Times has reported.

The lawsuit, filed on Friday in the superior court of San Francisco, targeted Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, ConocoPhillips and Chevron.

It is the most significant lawsuit to put the spotlight on the fossil fuel industry and demand the creation of a fund to compensate for future damages caused by climate-related disasters.

It follows numerous other cases brought by US cities, counties and states against fossil fuel interests over the impact of climate change, as well as alleged disinformation campaigns spanning decades."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...iants-alleging-climate-risks-deception-report

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[SnTMan]

I suppose they could all withdraw their products from the market, to cease causing further harm. /sarc

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[CWB1]

Methane is responsible for around 30% of the rise in global temperatures since the industrial revolution, and rapid and sustained reductions in methane emissions are key to limit near-term warming and improve air quality.

Yet govts and academics worldwide keep pushing its use as an alternative fuel while having a lower standard for efficiency.

 

[BridgeSmith]

I suppose they could all withdraw their products from the market, to cease causing further harm. /sarc

Why the sarcasm? I think that's a great idea, assuming they just announce that due to the lawsuit, they'll quit selling their product in California. How many seconds do you think it would take for the flood of angry phone calls to the governor's office to get the Commiefornia AG to drop the lawsuit, and get fired, anyway?

 

[hokie66]

"Commiefornia". I'll keep that one, BridgeSmith, if you don't mind.

 

[BridgeSmith]

You've never heard Cali referred to that way, hokie? There's also Crazyfornia, and my favorite - the land of fruits and nuts.

 

[hokie66]

Yea, 'land of fruits and nuts' is my go to. That state could be a good place to live, but for all the fruits and nuts.