Things are Starting to Warm Up. 21

[dik]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...mothers-bear-brunt-climate-change-2022-06-14/

a sign of things to come... hold on to your hats, folks.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

"Modern Conveniences vs Cave Living is not the question." ... is the question (in your mind at least) "Modern Conveniences vs No Living" ?

How does destruction (albeit minor and annoying) of SUVs help us to whatever the goal is ?
As I said, modern cars are much better than older ones, so the older ones should be "attacked".

Just more stunts.
Reminds me of the joke "what's the difference between a magician and a chorus line ?"
"one as an array of cunning stunts"

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

rb1957,
Your vehicle (whatever it is and whatever baggage it is carrying) has gone into the ditch, and will be stuck there until some better ideas come along to pull you out.
Good luck.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[rb1957]

maybe your SUV can pull me out ?

really not sure what I've said to upset you ... I'm agreeing with your observation (that late model cars are better environmentally) and by inference that these "Tire Extinguishers" are 1/2 baked.

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[epoxybot]

I just look at this chart and think, there is nothing man can do, one way or the other and we are truly living in blessed times for human beings.

 

[dik]

I agree, and I don't agree with it the activity , but ugly can happpen, and it could get worse.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

The historical trend says that there is only enough water for it to get 10m worse.

And none of this faster than ever nonsense. The rises are all vertical in eooxybot's chart.

 

[dik]

That's a relief... I think we're about 700' above sea level; there are parts of the southern states that could be a little worried.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

The historical chart also shows that there are no steps on the rise. Once the rate of rise starts to slow, it stops. It appears we are nearly at a peak already.

 

[dik]

That's only based on the last half million years... don't know what's coming. That's part of the problem. It's interesting that it follows a pattern.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

So what's the problem?

 

[TugboatEng]

My problem is that it looks like my commute is going to get much longer over the next 50,000 years if the cycle continues.

 

[Tomfh]

The historical trend says that there is only enough water for it to get 10m worse.

That curve only goes back half a million years. If you go back millions of years the sea level was quite a lot higher.

It's generally accepted we're increasing CO2 above what it's been for 800,000+ years, so unfortunately a 500,000 year chart of sea level mightn't represent an upper bound for sea level.

 

[TugboatEng]

I don't think it's reasonable to go back 500 million years? Pangea hadn't even broken up yet. I would assume at one point everything was under water until tectonic action pushed some dirt above the surface.

 

[Tomfh]

You needn't go 500 million years back. It says that 5-10 million years ago the sea level was ~100m above current levels.

 

[TugboatEng]

You're still talking in a timeframe that will have California beginning to leave the continental United States. We've got to draw a line somewhere for how far into the future we worry ourselves.

 

[rb1957]

sorry, but that sealevel chart is one of the things I hate about this "debate".

1) What does historical data have to say about the future ?

2a) What does historical data have to say if we humans are increasing the atmospheric CO2 level ?

2b) ... and affecting the environment is a myriad of ways ?

3) Is the chart saying "carry on irregardless" ?

4) "Global sealevel" is such a nebulous (meaningless?) term (much like "global temperature") ... to condense the whole globe down to one data point ... seems to me like "climate change for tik tok".

I expect in the next 10 years we'll learn a lot about climate, climate mechanisms, and mankind's impact on them.

and in 10 years time I expect we'll be having exactly the same "debate".

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[dik]

I wonder what else will come out of the woodwork?

https://www.sciencealert.com/fresh-...e-world-is-evaporating-at-an-accelerated-rate

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I understand that some people in the US think that's a good idea.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

1) What does historical data have to say about the future ?

It shows us that the limit of sea level rise is about 200m. That's what it was hundreds of millions of years ago when the temperature was 10C warmer, and CO2 was in the thousands. A waterworld scenario is not feasible.

2a) What does historical data have to say if we humans are increasing the atmospheric CO2 level ?

No much. We are increasing atmospheric CO2. This issue is a bit of a red herring. I'm a climate skeptic but I don't deny we're raising CO2. Of the rise from 280 ppm to 420ppm, almost all of it is due to humans burning fossil fuels. What else could it be?

2b) ... and affecting the environment is a myriad of ways ?

Here's we're it gets very murky. I would say, not nearly as much as your average alarmist likes to make out. Every single vaguely unpleasant climatic event is now attributed to climate change, regardless of how statistically normal they are. You can't see climate change without decades of careful statistical analysis. Yet we're assured now that climate change can be seen with out own eyes and is undeniable to everyone. It doesn't seem to occur to people that they might be engaging in confirmation bias and falsely attributing historically normal extreme weather events to their ideas of catastrophic climate change.

3) Is the chart saying "carry on irregardless" ?

No, but we're going to carry on regardless.



4) "Global sealevel" is such a nebulous (meaningless?) term (much like "global temperature") ... to condense the whole globe down to one data point ... seems to me like "climate change for tik tok".

The idea of sea level being 10m higher is fairly concrete.

 

[dik]

I don't think it's red herring... I think it's for real and there are some serious changes coming up in the next few decades... Cause is humans buring fossil fuels and other things... I hope you are correct, but I fear you're wrong.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik