Ukraine airline crash Tehran 16

[LittleInch]

Fairly horrific video showing what looks like a major fire and a spiral into the ground.

With the current situation don't know if well ever get to see what happened here.

New plane 737 800.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-plane-crash-ukraine-boeing-180-tehran

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[thebard3]

The internet lights up with stories about 'awful 737s'. Ignorance IS bliss.

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[Eufalconimorph]

The internet lights up with stories about 'awful 737s'. Ignorance IS bliss.

The 737 MAX issues are causing a brand failure. The "737" part is what people see as the brand. So any issues with any 737 will (for now) make for good attention-grabbing headlines. Like this:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/08/boeing_737_ng_cockpit_screen_blank_bug/

In the airworthiness directive the FAA said it had "confirmed that the faulty version of DEU software has already been removed from all airplanes conducting scheduled airline service into the affected airports" in the US.

That article wouldn't likely merit much of an article if not for the MAX issues. It's a minor bug with a fix already present on many planes with an airworthiness directive to work around it on those that haven't gotten updates yet. But because it's a 737 it gets an article outside aviation news sites. The brand "737" is (at least for now) being tainted in the minds of the public.

 

[IRstuff]

Burning bits flying off suggest an explosive damage, as was suggested by one talking head. Supposedly, no cockpit comms with the plane during all of that, so again, bad implication.

Sadly, my first thought was either missile or bomb, as well.

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[canwesteng]

Why would they shoot down a Ukrainian plane full of Iranians? Makes no sense at all, surely just a coincidence.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Why would they shoot down a Ukrainian plane full of Iranians? Makes no sense at all, surely just a coincidence.

A significant number of the passengers were actually Canadian.

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[wayne440]

IMHO, maybe a mistake, rather than a coincidence.

Picture someone in an Iranian AA battery saying "OH *%^&, oops"

 

[IRstuff]

Could be a miscalculation on some lower level commander's part, since Ukraine is a lower tier ally of the US.

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[itsmoked]

Yeah! I can't see someone calling the airline and asking the nationalities of the passengers. "Any Americans?"

Probably very twitchy anti-aircraft people.
At any rate Ukraine has done the right thing and suspended any and all flights in Iran.

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[LittleInch]

My experience of the ME tells me many of the "canadians" come with a west Texas drawl in order to work out there and not face sanctions.

I think a collision with a big drone is more likely. Whatever it was the flight 24 data stopped sending at 4000ft while climbing from what I've seen in reports.

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[VEBill]

63 passengers on Flight PS752 were Canadian citizens; and many others had ties to Canada.

"Dentists and doctors, whole families with small children, a newlywed couple, and students returning from holidays. Many were academics and professors, pursuing careers in engineering, computer science, business and finance."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/63-canadians-dead-ukraine-crash-1.5418892

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...illed-ukrainian-plane-crash-in-iran-1.5418966

 

[LittleInch]

Ok. More plausible alright.

Still a tragedy wherever they come from.

It was the sheer number of canadians that surprised me.

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[dgallup]

The plane was reportedly returning to the airport so I expect it had some kind of mechanical problem and/or fire. The black boxes should give us hard evidence soon.

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[VEBill]

The flight to Kiev conveniently connected through to Toronto. The Canadian news media reported that this airline and route was thus an attractive and commonly chosen option. A major factor to all this being the US sanctions,

 

[WinelandV]

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[JohnRBaker]

But do you always carry a knife?

I used to carry a very nice Swiss Army knife, which was given to me during a visit to Pilatus, a Swiss aerospace company, many years ago. Unfortunately, I forget that it was in my pocket the last time my wife and I went to Disneyland and they confiscated it and refused to hold it for me until we left the park. I almost didn't go in, but the tickets were only good for that day

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[phamENG]

I recently made the same mistake going while touring a government building. I realized my mistake before I got to the security checkpoint though, so I found a flower pot down a deserted sidewalk nearby and buried it. Still there when I came out 3 hours later!

 

[IRstuff]

Swiss Army knife goes everywhere I do, except airports, and certain buildings that shall rename nameless.

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[dgallup]

I tried the bury the knife in a flower bed trick outside one of the Smithsonian museums, not so lucky. Don't know if some tourist saw me and took it or the security camera monitors picked it up. Was a Henry Williams, one of their early plainer models with titanium handle and ZDP189 blade that had been my every day carry for years. We parked under a federal building so I couldn't even go back to the car. Really pissed me off. I've not been able to find a replacement even though I've got a standing search on ebay.

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[VEBill]

BBC: Iran 'mistakenly shot down Ukraine jet' - US media

If true, it's not surprising. Less unlikely than the alternate coincidental possibilities.

Edit to add: "...CBS News quoting US intelligence said a satellite detected infrared 'blips' of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion."