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Parking garage collapses at Ascension St. Vincent’s Riverside 1
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JohnRBaker
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Yes, it appears that the cable 'railing' is all that's holding it up:
And it appears that the failure may have involved that beam separating away from the columns, and while it's not all that clear, it would appear, as indicated by those cables, that the beam broke loose on both ends. That's when the one edge of the floor fell onto the level below.
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And it appears that the failure may have involved that beam separating away from the columns, and while it's not all that clear, it would appear, as indicated by those cables, that the beam broke loose on both ends. That's when the one edge of the floor fell onto the level below.
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JohnRBaker
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I also can't help but ask whether that beam, which appears to span an entrance to a lower level of the garage, has ever been struck by a high vehicle, like a box truck or something?
Any word on how old this structure is?
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Any word on how old this structure is?
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TugboatEng
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It certainly appears as if the beam was dislodged.
Red Corona
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It isn't clear how that beam is even supposed to be attached to the columns, to prevent it falling outwards as it appears to have done.
JohnRBaker (Mechanical) 13 Sep 23 19:18 said:
The exit marking in the photo is on an upper level so the support beam was not likely hit by an over height vehicle. See my previous post.
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The earlier one by the same builder was reported in an earlier thread here, but no further information ensued. There are altogether too many structural failures which don't get reported properly, and the industry just repeats the same dumb stuff over and over.
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The best argument for not being recently hit is the lack of a squashed vehicle. It's possible this is the lowest clearance and it certainly appears to have been pushed out at the base as the initiating event. All the ties to the deck appear attached to the outer beam and matching notches appear in the deck edge.
Points for the design taking the hit from the upper level collapse and not continuing to fail.
Points for the design taking the hit from the upper level collapse and not continuing to fail.
There could be a number of issues. The T beams seem thin, the tops and bottoms are both broken from buckling and impact, and there is scant rebar or embeds tying things together. It looks like a thin shell tacked together. What possibly could go wrong?
kissymoose
Structural
I am shocked that the second level withstood the impact.
I wonder if there may have been prior damage done by a car hitting the center cable post.
That may have set the stage for a later failure.
Or possibly a car did hit the post and the car was removed from the wreckage before the photo was taken.
If it was me and the car was still drivable, I would be tempted to try to drive away.
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That may have set the stage for a later failure.
Or possibly a car did hit the post and the car was removed from the wreckage before the photo was taken.
If it was me and the car was still drivable, I would be tempted to try to drive away.
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