Alaska Airlines flight forced to make an emergency landing... 82

[dik]

New information regarding Boeing and Spirit... from blancolirio. I don't know if this has been posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSGujNq4bVM

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[waross]

Apparently the FAA is looking at the whole problem and not just at the plug blowout.
Bad news for Boing, good news for the flying public.

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Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!

 

[TugboatEng]

Many here think the FAA blew it during the MCAS investigation. Is there any reason we should think this new one would be different?

 

[dik]

I've only ever met two Texans... they were 'pushers' for a sawmill project I did in Northern Ontario, and they were pretty good. This was back when Clinton was president...

I casually asked them if it was true that Clinton was going to cut Alaska in half, and make Texas the third largest state. The one guy's response was, "There's nothing that a**hole could do that would surprise me."



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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I thought the pilot of the Gimli Glider was better...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

The turning the APU on outside the emergency checklist made a huge difference.

Meant they didn't loose power and the aircraft stayed in Normal law with flight envelope protections.

It is likely they would have stalled at some point if they hadn't had the protections, which would have changed the outcome.

And he isn't a normal pilot. He was a sim examiner for years and also an accident investigator.

I suspect his political leanings come into play with some of the talk about him in both directions.

My personal opinion is that he is neither the spawn of Satan or has golden bollocks.

Gimili glider apart from the initial screw up with metric/imperial fuel loading, definitely leans towards golden bollocks on the handling skills.

 

[dik]

I've raced my Cooper on that tarmac...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Murph 9000]

Sully, the Gimli crew, SWA1380, the Alaska pilots here, the Speedbird 747 that lost all 4 engines; they all kept their cool in a bad situation, followed their instincts and training, exhibited commendable airmanship, and (most importantly of all) pulled off a very successful outcome from situations that could have ended far worse. They all deserve praise, a bottle of whisky, or whatever.

 

[FacEngrPE]

Aloha Airlines Flight 243 also fits the category of successful management of flight operations outside of the training envelope.

http://avstop.com/stories/aloha.html[/URL]]Aloha Airlines Flight 243 departed Hilo en route to Honolulu at 1.25 p.m. on 28 April 1988. As the Boeing 737 leveled off at top of its climb the fuselage ruptured and senior flight attendant Clarabelle Lansing was blown from the aircraft. To her death.

Aloha Airlines Flight 243, Wikapedia
NTSB Report Link.
Page 64 has some interesting observations about the FAA evaluation of PMI's performance. Are these same problems still existing?

 

[CWB1]

LPS for Murph. Its easy to point toward intense training regimens and minimize these crews as having simply done their jobs, but that's not fair IMHO, even if humble crewmembers agree with it. Its impossible to predict how even the most highly-trained professionals will react to a life-threatening situation until the bullets suddenly start flying, the building is on-fire, aircraft fails, etc. Some will freeze, some will panic, some will do their job. Kudos to the ones who keep on keeping-on.

 

[hokie66]

To the hall of champions, add Richard Champion de Crespigny, pilot of the Qantas QF32 A380 which suffered uncontrolled engine failure shortly after departure from Singapore in 2010.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

The volcanic ash event on a 747 when all 4 engines shutdown was another one as Murph mentions.

There is a don't give up criteria in sim sessions and tests.

They went to far with it after the sims became more realistic and it started creating mental health issues. So they are not meant to create you will crash and die we just want to see you not give up until the bitter end which was happening.

see they have already upgraded the sims.

 

[1503-44]

Brutal!

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[TugboatEng]

It seems the FAA is following Boeing's lead.

https://www.faa.gov/deia

https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

 

[1503-44]

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[3DDave]

It's Replacement Theory and it is based on ignoring that many American jobs have been replaced by citizens of India, China, Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico ... doing those jobs, but the local replacements are all supposed to be completely inferior in every way.

 

[1503-44]

Yeah. I need a red herring without the "?"

Looking at the actual Boeing-FAA recent historic evidence I'm more inclined to believe their inbreeding was what got them into trouble and that a massive dose of fresh blood DNA might be just the thing they need. Seems like their press releases say both are taking that perspective. Pack some mRNA in there and it could be a big winner. Whatever policy they had before sure tanked.

In fact, this is not something new. If it wasn't for German DNA injected into the early rocket programs, the Russians would have solved all our current problems for us a long time ago.

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[TugboatEng]

What will people with "severe intellectual disabilities" contribute to the FAA?

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Its a good thread, please don't spoil it with political stuff.

 

[1503-44]

Typical deflection from the issue.

They have at least taken ownership, but has Boeing actually said "sorry" about this incident?
I haven't seen it yet. Hopefully they have.





--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."