TigerGuy
Geotechnical
- Apr 29, 2011
- 2,191
Hangar under construction collapsed killing 3 and injuring more.
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Sym P. le said:The crane looks rather small to cause so much damage. The open frame of the building would catch a lot of wind.
bones206 said:If this is in fact the initiating failure of the collapse, it should be a wake up call for the PEMB industry.
RVAMeche said:Not a rigging guy but using multiple smaller cranes to lift a large load (if that's really the case?) sounds like a terrible idea.
driftLimiter said:I've seen many columns with the same baseplate details. 1000s of them are installed per year without failing under frame self weight. There simply has to be something more going on than just baseplate failure. These frames have some serious joint rigidity at the eave, under self weight there is no way that the joint wants to rotate by 30 degrees.
For every PEMB I have seen, the foundation engineer is the project engineer of record and from my understanding technically is somewhat responsible for the building engineering as well, even though they are only reviewing the deferred submittal. As the EOR you are responsible for all structural aspects of the projects. In fact some jurisdictions are starting to make it clearer that the foundation engineer is the EOR and responsible for the building aspects as well. That is why PEMB foundation designers are idiots for charging so little to design foundations only in my opinion.JStructSteel said:It seems the foundation engineer is off the hook.....but i am sure will be sued anyway.
human909 (Structural) 5 Feb 24 10:01 said:What twist restraint if any was in place for them.
True. And I did miss that and I do agree there is "plenty" and it seems significant. However in its present state to provide twist restraint it is reliant on the axial compression strength/stiffness of the top purlins. Which is SFA given they have no rod bracing/bridging or a roof over it. Which might be getting closer to the root cause.Sym P. le said:There was plenty of cross bracing employed during this operation, both across the main span, and on the verticals (heavier at the corners).