Building geometry 10

[hoshang]

Hi all,
Please find the attached image.
Do you think the proposed geometry acceptable regarding center of mass and center of rigidity considerations? FYI the red circle is the center of mass.

 

[BAretired]

Looks like a fun game! Can I play?

You bet! Welcome aboard.

Very interesting! If the turntable could double as the lift, the rectangular lift could be eliminated; but maybe that is going a bit too far.

 

[hoshang]

I can get 8 cars in with a turntable and no need to move any other car to get any car to the lift.

Thanks for your contribution. If you check the ground floor plan, your approach will conflict with the ground floor plan. What do you recommend for alterations in the ground floor plan to make your approach a possible solution?

 

[rb1957]

ground floor change is the placement of the lift (and getting access to the road).

Is that really the problem you see with the idea ?

... ok ...

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[Eng16080]

Jeez, you guys getting paid for this consulting work?

 

[rb1957]

sure. you're not ?

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[hoshang]

ground floor change is the placement of the lift (and getting access to the road).

Can you provide an opinion on where one can access to the right stair on MintJulep approach? Can you provide an opinion on where two WC, and a show room be located on MintJulep approach?

 

[rb1957]

both points associated with providing street access to the lift. You could provide a corridor on the RH side of the "showroom" for residents to access the RH stairs and put washrooms somewhere in this corner. But accessing the lift from the road requires some sort of lateral translation device (since the lift is parallel with the road).

But I suspect the "roundabout" suggestion was made "tongue in cheek". The real issue hasn't changed from day one ... the basement is too small to fulfill your requirements.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[hoshang]

put washrooms somewhere in this corner. But accessing the lift from the road requires some sort of lateral translation device (since the lift is parallel with the road).

Where should I put washrooms? Is there a lateral translation device for car lift?

 

[rb1957]

sorry, we can't help much ... we don't know all your constraints (we don't even know where this building is ... NA, Europe, Asia, ...) and our suggestions typically conflict with at least one.

You are better off talking to someone at your end, a supervisor, colleague, mentor.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[hoshang]

we don't know all your constraints (we don't even know where this building is ... NA, Europe, Asia, ...) and our suggestions typically conflict with at least one.

But does your comment concern my inquiry:

Is there a lateral translation device for car lift?

Can you provide an image for this lateral translation device?

 

[hoshang]

Hi all,
any one familiar with lateral translation device for car lift. Your help would be highly appreciated.

 

[hoshang]

Hi all,
the plan layouts are modified. Please find the attached link. Any considerations?

 

[rb1957]

IMHO, no better than the original. the parking is still impractical accessing the road seems "less optimal". All you are doing is "rearranging the deck chairs (on the Titanic)".
Have you tried it out, full scale ?

Something has to give, some requirement must change.

Can you reduce the number of cars ?

No? Can you change the planning requirements (get an exemption) ? Can you renegotiate the contract ?

No? Can you add a 3td basement floor ? Can you add another floor above grade ?

No? then you need to change how you are using the upper floors (lose one of the "show room" (shop?) floors.

No? Then can you propose an unreasonable parking layout, such as this, knowing that you'll never have full parking (in reality) ?

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[ThomasH]

hoshang,

I must admit that I am surprised by this new layout. Compared to the original there are no changes that improves the parking. You have mentioned a lot of constraints, but I think you have missed one important constraint. Can you get each car into and out of the garage independent of the other cars? The answer still seems to be, No.

I assume that the parking simply isn't a priority for the project. I just leave it as it is and wish you good luck.

 

[BAretired]

It's not much of an improvement, but the turning radius is too tight coming out of the car lift, so I recommend moving the stair in the parking levels as shown.

The driving aisle must be cleared. That is a ridiculous parking layout.

If this building were in my area, I would appeal the one meter clearance from the property line, but that may not be possible in your location.

 

[BAretired]

The 20% open area requirement is a real puzzler. The wall on Grid line 1 has no slab on either side and three columns are unbraced over a height of six stories. They aren't even braced at the roof. The purpose of 20% open area is unclear.

 

[hoshang]

three columns are unbraced over a height of six stories. They aren't even braced at the roof.

maybe there are beams connecting these columns with the columns on grid 2.

 

[BAretired]

Maybe there are, but the entire purpose of the open area escapes me.

 

[rb1957]

I thought it was a light channel ... windows on interior walls ?

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[hoshang]

so I recommend moving the stair in the parking levels as shown.

Leave stair above Ground Floor, but move stair in parking levels down to Grid lines 6 to 7.

If so, don't you think another passage way is needed in the ground floor (on the right side of your proposed stair in parking levels) so one can get to the stair above Ground Floor? Wasting space in the Ground Floor?