Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part IX 10

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

@Bridge... 'will' is pretty definitive; maybe 'can' is still extreme.

The point is that Greta is an ignorant child (I know she's 20 years old now, but I think the description is still applicable), who knows only what she has been fed. Quoting her as some sort of expert or authority on the subject is laughable, and makes the poster appear ignorant, as well.

 

[dik]

It could be... the reason I posted the chart was that it was the 'change in use' and the numbers are going the wrong way, even for the 'good guys'. There's no question that China is the #1 user of coal, but the effects come from the use of 'all fossil fuels', not just coal. Their increase in use does not bode well.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Her statement was that she was informed of this by a climate scientist. Her actions are pretty astute for a 'child'; she was 15 at the time. She's done more to raise the awareness of what could be a real serious, and 'real' problem than anyone else that comes to mind.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

And what qualifies one to be a "climate scientist"? It is such a vague term. Think of the term "engineer". An engineer could give an opinion on a bridge design but what would the quality of that opinion be if we get more specific and say it's a software engineer giving it.

 

[SwinnyGG]

Using them as a scapegoat to prevent actively addressing the carbon problem is just a manner of deferring actions that will likely have to be taken in the near future

No one is using China as a 'scapegoat'... YOU are the one who brought China into the discussion originally. Any conversation on China is rebuttal to your ridiculous attempts to make China out to be some sort of fossil fuel consumption white night. None of us understand why you keep doing that.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

The point is that Greta is an ignorant child (I know she's 20 years old now, but I think the description is still applicable), who knows only what she has been fed.

I 100% agree.... What's more is that the way her parents have fed this fear into her (and the way the media has hyped her up) should probably be viewed as a form of child abuse. Not enough to get her removed from her family or anything that serious. But, the idea that the media has eaten up this quasi-abuse with such gusto is truly sad.

Look at the way the media reports on this poor girl. Look at the way they report on Global Warming. Look at the way they report on transwomen invading women's sports. Look at the way they report on trans indoctrination of young school kids vs the "don't say gay bill" which merely said that public schools cannot discuss gender and sexuality for K through 3rd grade. It's no wonder why the public has so little confidence in the media these days.

 

[dik]

...anyone that does detailed study on climate and applies the scientific method of addressing questions.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

You misunderstand Swinny... they are not a white knight... they are just as bad as the other carbon emitters... just not as bad as they are painted.

On a per capita basis they output half the carbon that the US does. It reflects badly on them because they have 5x the population. India is also regarded as a 'bad carbon dude' but when their large population is considered, they output 1/10 that of the US.

It's just an excuse the west is using to permit them to defer any action.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[SnTMan]

Things are starting to warm up. What's worse is that every place is warming faster than every other place!

What to do?

(Posted mostly for the entertainment value)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[BridgeSmith]

On a per capita basis they output half the carbon that the US does. It reflects badly on them because they have 5x the population. India is also regarded as a 'bad carbon dude' but when their large population is considered, they output 1/10 that of the US.

It's just an excuse the west is using to permit them to defer any action.

No, it's recognizing the reality that unilateral action by the US, will not have a significant effect on global CO2 emissions.

 

[dik]

It cannot be unilateral... it is a world problem that needs to be solved by all parties involved.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

New new nuclear reactor

"It has several advantages over uranium reactors, including safety, reduced waste, better fuel efficiency and suitability for use in arid landlocked areas
The tech is expected to strengthen China’s energy security as the nation has abundant thorium reserves"

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...-thorium-fuel-could-power-country-20000-years

at least Canada's produces plutonium, which is marketable...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

...not likely a good thing:

"Heatwaves this summer are leading to increased reliance on oil, gas, and coal as countries struggle to meet peak energy demands.

Europe and Asia are experiencing higher temperatures, posing risks of drought, environmental damage, and energy shortages.

Despite renewable energy growth, countries like the UK and India are resorting to coal and gas due to the limitations of green energy infrastructure."

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...-Sending-Demand-For-Fossil-Fuels-Soaring.html

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Getting warmer...

"Global temperatures have accelerated to record-setting levels this month, an ominous sign in the climate crisis ahead of a gathering El Niño that could potentially propel 2023 to become the hottest year ever recorded.

Preliminary global average temperatures taken so far in June are nearly 1C (1.8F) above levels previously recorded for the same month, going back to 1979. While the month is not yet complete and may not set a new June record, climate scientists say it follows a pattern of strengthening global heating that could see this year named the hottest ever recorded, topping 2016.

There has been “remarkable global warmth” so far in June, confirmed Copernicus, the European Union’s Earth observation arm, which said that the first few days of the month even breached a 1.5C increase compared with pre-industrial times. This is probably the first time this has happened since industrialization, the agency said.

The long-term warming conditions caused by the burning of fossil fuels will probably receive a further pulse of heat via El Niño, a naturally recurring phenomenon where sections of the Pacific Ocean heat up, typically causing temperatures to spike across the world."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/15/record-temperatures-global-heating

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

It cannot be unilateral... it is a world problem that needs to be solved by all parties involved.

Exactly my point. As long as China and India aren't reigning in their fossil fuel use, it's ridiculous for the US to ruin its economy in order to cut emissions. Are you going to make China and India to cut their CO2 emissions? Who do you think can?

 

[hokie66]

Unintended consequences.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fe...ation-offshore-wind-impacts-amid-whale-deaths

 

[Tomfh]

There's no question that China is the #1 user of coal, but the effects come from the use of 'all fossil fuels', not just coal.

China is the worlds largest consumer of coal.

China is also the worlds largest consumer of all fossil fuels.

 

[dik]

Not correct, Tom. on a per capita basis... not even close. They have 5x the population of the US.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fossil-fuels-per-capita

Not on a



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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Not correct, Tom

Yes, correct, dik. Your beloved China is the world's largest consumer of coal, and the world's largest consumer of all fossil fuels.

Their insane population does not reduce the staggering amounts of CO2 they emit, which are the world's largest by a long long way, a fact you have great difficulty reconciling yourself with.

 

[dik]

Josh... it appears that some people are paying attention to Greta...

"The study by Climate Analytics says global fossil fuel use must drop by around 40% over the decade, with coal falling by 79%."

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/e...-times-faster-to-avert-thunberg-climate-cliff

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik