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Things are Starting to Heat Up Part VI 10

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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Thanks Josh... I was trying to put it into simple terms, so more people could understand. I suspect it's called the greenhouse effect because it acts as a greenhouse, a bit. Sunlight comes in heats the surfaces, and the glass acts as an insulator/barrier to trap the heat.


I'm well aware of many variables and some of the interaction among them. It starts with addressing the causes and reducing our dependence on fossil fuels. My concern is that none of this is happening... it's just not a politically 'nice' thing to do. Construction of seawalls, although nice, is not a real 'fix'; and is a trivial consequence compared to some of the others. It's temporarily fixing a problem, not addressing the problem. There could be large areas of the earth's surface that are not inhabitable, and due to drought/high precipitation there could be serious effects on food supply. The geopolitical consequences of this could be unimaginable. These are some of my concerns, with the big one being that no one seems to be addressing the real problem.

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Josh said:
Where they fail is that the tend to look at CO2 as the only variable that changes (a huge exaggeration, I know). In a climate, atmosphere like ours, EVERY variable is constantly changing.
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I accept that the process is too complicated to be effectively modeled but there is a most basic and fundamental error that all climate scientists make. They draw a direct correlation between temperature and energy and this simply isn't true. I can't be concerned when warned of a 1°C temperature rise as that is an incomplete description. Get back to me when a climate scientist warns of an average increase with units of kJ/kg.
 
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Is this sufficient? I don't know how many kgs there are in the oceans, but I suspect there are a few... [pipe]


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Yes, now we're on the right track.

Interesting that the ocean is only reaching energy levels seen 200 years ago. That's hardly the geologic time scale often used to dismiss critics.

Conversely, the temperature and energy content of the ocean are closely related as the specific heat of the ocean doesn't vary much.
 
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The heat capacity of the oceans is 1000 times that of the atmosphere. So even if we had instrumentation in the ocean that gave a good estimate, an unmeasurably small 0.01 deg C in the ocean is the same heat content as 10 deg C in the atmosphere.

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It could be a sign of things to come...

"More than 200 million people, or about 60 percent of the United States population, were under some form of winter weather advisory or warning on Friday, the National Weather Service said. The agency’s weather map “depicts one of the greatest extents of winter weather warnings and advisories ever”, forecasters said in a statement."


and more from another source


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...maybe climate change, Greg. [pipe]

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Oh we know, it is the theory that can simultaneously explain droughts and floods, blizzards and heatwaves and so on and so forth. So how's the cherry blossoms?

and of of course Pommie kids will never know what snow is

unless they put their phones down and look out the window tomorrow






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That's not the usual noun I've heard the adjective 'Pommie' used with. We have snow and about -28C here right now... they're missing stuff...

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In 1980 the bomb cyclone was not caused by climate change.


In 2002 it was still not caused by climate change.


It's only recently where everything is caused by climate change that the scary named normal weather event is suddenly another consequence of climate change.
 
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Maybe not a trendy term back then, but the timing is still within the current 'climate change' envelope. How often do these anomalies have to occur before people realise that there may be bigger issues on the horizon? I sure hope you're right, but I'm not sure... where am I going, and why am I in this handbasket? [ponder]

Merry Christmas to all... and all the best in the New Year.

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Bomb cyclones aren't an anomaly. They are a weather pattern that is endemic to certain regions. They might not follow the typical seasonal pattern because they require the timing of a few normal events to coincide in addition to seasonal patterns. They have always been a thing, always will be.

You said it, climate change is a trendy term.
 
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dozens of fatalities... and this might only be the beginning. Unfortunately there could be more of this stuff to come. [pipe]


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...and with climate change, air pressure highs are increasing and lows are decreasing. With these changes, bomb cyclones will become more prevalent. Hold on to your hats, folks. [pipe]

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I've said it before, cold weather kills more than hot weather. A bit of warming can only be a good thing.

dik said:
and with climate change, air pressure highs are increasing and lows are decreasing. With these changes, bomb cyclones will become more prevalent. Hold on to your hats, folks. pipe
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And this is not a factual statement.
 
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Sorry Tugboat... and the rate of change can be greater; this is what causes the bomb cyclone.
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