Things are Starting to Heat Up Part VI 10

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Oh great, they invented a new type of science, "attribution science". Instead of learning why weather events happen scientist are now researching ways to blame them on climate change. Galileo must be rolling in his grave.

 

[CWB1]

We drove the western halfway of NY's I-90/Thruway this morning on our way home. Buffalo had about a foot of snow on the ground and the Thruway was officially "closed" per the digital signage yet busy rolling ~75 mph, hoping that means we dont get billed for tolls. Roads up in the Adirondacks were far worse with 3-4' of fresh snowfall a few days ago but overall not bad. We put 1-200 miles each day on mostly dirt roads visiting old friends and only used 4wd a few times to avoid tearing up dirt driveways. As far as winter storms, this one was pretty normal for the area, nvm the political grandstanding.

 

[dik]

Do you usually have 16 fatalities? or, is this just normal?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/buffalo-new-york-blizzard-families-scramble-food-rcna63246

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

16 deaths is relatively normal. In 2009 there were 29 deaths during bomb cyclone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/29weather.html

37 dead in 1987

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/01/25/us/37-dead-as-us-strives-to-adjust-to-winter-storm.html

1975 was a historic year for storms. Check this out:

https://www.wlfi.com/archive/novemb...cle_7b7a279b-4194-5599-9a67-026af5fabbcb.html

 

[dik]

That's still within the time frame for post industrial climate change. Is that including the 23 from Texas? or is it the Buffalo area? How many fatalities in the '75 storm? and, any in the Buffalo area? Just curious...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

29 died on the Edmund Fitzgerald alone.

Lake effect snowstorm was the old name, that's what they called it in 1974.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00431672.1975.9931764?journalCode=vwws20

 

[dik]

New numbers for Buffalo...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64096509

The Edmund Fitzgerald was another issue, and one that could have been avoided... maybe a bit of criminal neglegence involved.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Remember that the population of many areas has more than doubled since 1975 so regional weather is going to be more deadly due to that factor alone.

 

[CWB1]

Depends on the year. Buffalo is one of our poorest cities, in one of the highest cost-of-living states, with some of the most expensive energy stateside, and at the moment we're in a major recession with energy costs significantly above the norm. When the party in charge is hellbent on running up energy costs, running down the economy, and spending like drunk sailors these things happen. The fact that they blamed global-warming for poor folks freezing to death while voting for a $32k/state-legislator pay raise is sadly ironic.

 

[dik]

and technology and medical care have improved to offset the population increase.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Sure about that?

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/12/23/experts-say-extreme-cold-could-test-your-electric-vehicle/

Also note that the average life expectancy has taken a serious dip in the last year.

 

[dik]

I dunno... but it seemed to be as silly an arguement.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

This quote sums things up well.

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

 

[GregLocock]

A distant relative was a journo for a quality UK newspaper. He reckoned the best reporting was in Business and Sports, as they were two areas where the readers had expertise and could and would challenge poor journalism.

Frankly most 'sciencey' reporting should be on the Opinion page, there's usually a distinct sound of barrows being pushed and data being tortured.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[GregLocock]

Meanwhile the wunderkind in the global stupidity stakes is Germany. Having got rid of coal powerstations, nukes, forests and so on in their pursuit of green Nirvana, they are now proposing to spend 7% of GDP subsidising consumers' energy bills. If I ruled a country the total government shakedown would only be 45%, but hey just another 7%, that's water under the bridge for the chicken littles. Meanwhile the release of the NY state energy 'plan' is attracting negative vibes. Let's see what happens when team moron in Oz release theirs. If you can't make renewables work in Oz, on the basis that the sun is always shining somewhere, and the wind is always blowing somewhere, on a continent wide scale, how on Earth do smaller networks with less spatial averaging hope to cope? Hope is a thing from Hallmark card mottos, not engineering.

Sure, these worked, and are fantastic

But this slightly unfair example

and the like, is why bits of wood and hope are no longer regarded as cutting edge engineering.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[GregLocock]

And back to Texas, merely because North Mexico is amusing

Hang on kids, you are peeing in your saddles because electricity reached 50 c /kWh? did you know in the renewable wonderland of South Australia the unemployable munchkins are paying that now, even when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining? Of course they are sucking up as much coal and whatever from interstate so they don't have to fire up the diesels.

Cheers

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[dik]

Stuk [sik] in the past...

https://theintercept.com/2022/12/24...ium=email&utm_source=The Intercept Newsletter

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[btrueblood]

Greg,

Could you please start a new thread for your posts? It's kind of a pain to scroll through all the other nonsense to find what you have written.

 

[dik]

and counting...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64099642

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[enginesrus]

A geoengineered winter at its finest. The reason for life altering extreme weather every week now.

https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-watch-global-alert-news-december-17-2022-384/

Your gonna believe in the catch word "climate change" one way or the other.