Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VIII 9

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Nope... most of the increases are related to oil and gas... it looks like 'waste and others' have gone down. I was really impressed in the large reduction related to electricity. A lot of Canada's power is hydro.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[dik]

Revegetation and climate change...

" And, as Sassan Saatchi, a senior scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, has said, tree planting will never be a substitute for decreasing fossil fuel emissions."

https://thebulletin.org/2023/04/how...vels-could-increase-flood-risks/#post-heading

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[dik]

...a heads up. El nino may be coming on line:

https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-...summer-winter-united-states-canada-europe-fa/

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

New info about fossil fuel producers:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/us/methane-oil-and-gas-epa-climate/index.html

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Canadian government is full of hot air...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/weather/t...-gases-full-of-hot-air/ar-AA19XPIf?li=AAggNb9

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[BridgeSmith]

The only new info I see in that article, dik, is that a new study disputes the EPA's estimates of methane leakage, which the EPA still maintains are accurate. Oh, and a university has come up with a new technology to find leaks, so the oil drillers can fix them (which they do). So, as long as the university, and their resident eggheads, don't get too greedy, methane leaks should be decreasing in the future.

What's conspicuously missing in the article is any kind of quantitative assessment of whether the volume of methane leaks from US oil drilling are a significant factor in the greenhouse effect on a global scale.

 

[dik]

I think so... I seem to recall seeing an article a few months back that had the global methane links. The real problem with methane is that it's about 30x worse than CO[sub]2[/sub].

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

It's not the link that I'd seen, but it's pretty good. I recall the earlier link was noting the new equipment to measure methane, globally. Some info from this link:

https://www.iea.org/reports/methane-emissions-from-oil-and-gas-operations

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

New equipment? Does that introduce the same quality of date problems brought by Australia's modernization or thermometers?

 

[Tomfh]

If the new equipment is more sensitive you can sure they’ll use it to their statistical advantage.

 

[dik]

Any good statistical package would identify the change in equipment and would accommodate that. It's interesting comparing China to the US when they have 5x the population.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Well there is the obvious solution to climate change. Cut everybody's pay to pennies an hour and we will be low CO2 per capita just like China.

 

[dik]

We have no idea of how this will end up, Tug. China might surprise you...

They have improved the lot of the people, likely much better than the US has... The number of people that have improved is nearly twice the population of the US. I should have added a source.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...port-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Tomfh]

Any good statistical package would identify the change in equipment and would accommodate that.

Any good climate scientist uses the data and the statistics available to them produce the clearest most compelling picture of climate change.

We saw it in climategate when dodgy selection of data and dodgy statistics were used to fashion the hockey stick. We see it with NOAA's gradually cooling of the past American climate. We see it in the Australian Bureaa of meteorology with their statistically cooling of the past, and their warming of the present via to changed instrumentation.

Climate scientists are on a mission to show warming, and when data is offered that appears to confirm it, they are often all too willing to accept it without sufficient scrutiny.

 

[dik]

A good stat package also identifies the manner in which the data is obtained and any possible variations. As this progresses, I suspect there will be a lot of snakeoil salesmen coming out of the woodwork, too. We could be in new territory and there could be a lot of uncertainty.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

What needs to be done to address climate change?

Education?

I would say that John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Gates are some of the most highly educated on climate change. They're also have the highest per capita emissions of any humans on Earth. Since they know so much about climate change it must be their income that leads to their CO2 output. To back this up, one could argue that Donald Trumps is very ignorant in climate change yet still has highest per capita CO2. Therefore, as China's per capita income increases so will their per capita CO2 output.

 

[dik]

That's quite possible, Tug... and, maybe India's per capita will increase, too. Who's to deny them those excesses, if those with the ability to reduce theirs don't take up the cudgel? and set a good example. I haven't kept up with the increases, but I know that Canada has failed and our carbon footprint continues to grow, albeit not as quickly.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I think it's a failure of education and the lack of foresight by the government oligarchy that has placed us in this position. It will be interesting (in a Chinese curse fashion, to see where this leads. I'm not racist... and the Chinese curse, 'may you live in interesting times' is not really true... a Chinese friend told me the real curse was, "May your name be known to those in authority".)

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

So the oligarchy is going to use climate change in order to excuse the poor living conditions of the plebians while continuing with their extravagant lifestyles? Maybe it's time to stop supporting the oligarchy before they become totalitarian?

 

[dik]

Unfortunately it's part of most governments...

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik