Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI 10

[dik]

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[dik]

I agree that it's not helpful... it's like Mark Twain, "Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it."

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[SwinnyGG]

I agree that it's not helpful

....then why do you keep doing it

 

[btrueblood]

I agree that it's not helpful... it's like Mark Twain, "Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it."

Then why do you keep doing it?

 

[dik]

The 1-1/2 degrees is just a line in the sand. It's a temperature increase the earth can reach before real 'bad' things can start happening. It was a 'best guess' back then, and I suspect when it was initially raised no one actually thought we could reach it. It looks like it's happening. It was a goal to keep away from.

I keep adding material, as I come across it to keep others informed about where we may be heading and some of the current consequences. In addition, as I come across additional information that may help to mitigate the current situation in case they weren't aware of them, I pass them on, too. I just like to keep people informed... We have no idea of where climate change will take us, but on initial observations, it does not look promising if this is only the start.

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[SwinnyGG]

The 1-1/2 degrees is just a line in the sand.

No it isn't. It's a relatively arbitrary value, which we currently have no idea whether or not we are actually approaching based on the available data.

If your intent is to just sound like you're asking questions about what may happen, that's not how you're coming across. You come across as an alarmist.

 

[dik]

I said it was a best guess back then. Initially it was a value established as a maximum temperature where things could get 'bad' and a degree of heating to avoid. This value has become 'reachable' and will likely be surpassed. There is some talk about 2-1/2 degrees and even 3 degrees...

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[BridgeSmith]

Bad things can and do happen with the global temperature average where it is now. Bad things happened when the temperature was 2 degrees cooler than it is now. Bad things will continue to happen whether the temperature goes up 1 degree, 1.5, 2,3, 4, or drops by 3,4, or 5 degrees. The climate has always changed, is changing now, and will continue to change. Dry places get wet, wet places get dry, etc. etc. We adapt, we survive, we thrive. We have more ability to control our individual environment than ever before, which is far more important (and possible) than controlling "the environment".

 

[GregLocock]

I saw, but cannot find, a boM graphic of Australian annual rainfall for each of the last 3 years. Every year some regions were flooding blue, and others were drought red. The headlines write themselves. The next year the positions reversed. The headlines write themselves.

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[hokie66]

The rains of last year made a lot of farmers happy. Not so much the dry conditions of this year. And repeat...

 

[dik]

This shows a trend... but, it's too soon to tell...

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[SwinnyGG]

How accurate, consistent, and widespread do you think surface temperature measurement was in Australia in the 1880s?

 

[TugboatEng]

And where are the enthalpy measurements? Water content has a huge impact on the specific heat of the atmosphere. Temperature is a very 1 dimensional view and isn't meaningful on its own in this context. It's no different then measuring the area of a rectangle using the length of one side only.

 

[dik]

A move in the right direction, but delayed for a decade... Canada uses a lot of hydro, currently. This helps mitigate our huge per capita carbon footprint.

"The regulations would drive up the cost of energy slightly, but federal officials say that would be offset by the savings expected to come from moving away from fossil fuels.

The government has set a target of making the electricity grid net-zero by 2035, and the regulations are meant to help guide the way."

https://globalnews.ca/news/9887495/canada-clean-electricity-regulations/

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[TugboatEng]

They expect demand to double and propose no plan to increase supply?

 

[dik]

We'll have to wait and see what it's replaced with... hopefully they have thought this out... mind you, I'm not always sure about (our) government.

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[TugboatEng]

That's not how planning works. The article states only that new regulations will be imposed but makes no comment how they intend to feed the expected doubling of consumption.

 

[dik]

Another feature of climate change that will likely increase as time progresses...

"The death toll from the catastrophic wildfires in Maui has soared to 36, and officials worry the devastation could intensify as the infernos torch more of the ravaged island.

The loss of life marked a staggering increase from earlier reports of six people killed.

A satellite image shows an overview of wildfires impacting Lahaina Square and outlets, Maui County, in Hawaii, on August 9, 2023.
Before-and-after satellite images show what the Maui wildfires destroyed
While survivors recall harrowing escapes by car or boat, many residents who fled still don’t know whether their homes and businesses have been reduced to ashes.

“The estimates that we have are thousands of people have been displaced by this event,” Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Deanne Criswell told “CNN News Central” on Thursday.

Among them is Dustin Kaleiopu, whose home in Lahaina was destroyed. “My colleagues, friends, family – we’re all homeless,” Kaleiopu said. “We’re hoping that the death toll does not rise too much higher.”"

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/10/us/maui-wildfires-hurricane-dora-thursday/index.html

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[JoshPlumSE]

Another feature of climate change that will likely increase as time progresses....

Is there any evidence that Hawaii has been affected by climate change at all? They're a tropical climate. It's basically year round summer there. If you make claims like this you should demonstrate that this location has seen substantial changes in temperature and climate due to global warming.

Yes, fires do happen sometimes. It appears that the wreaked havoc on the dry side of the Island because of fierce winds from a nearby hurricane. Not sure any of this can be blamed on climate change......


LOL, I know that doesn't matter to alarmists. According to them EVERYTHING bad can be blamed on climate change. But, I prefer it when someone presents a rational justification why this event should reasonably be attributed to climate change.

 

[GregLocock]

likely



Fires in Hawaii used to be caused by lightning strikes and volcanoes. Now they initiate on the side of roads. Damn, I wonder how that happens? Humans also plant non-fireproof vegetation.

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[hokie66]

And greenies are successful in preventing preplanned burns to reduce fuel load.