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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIV

dik

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Apr 13, 2001
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"CEO of Denver-based Liberty Energy, Wright is a vocal advocate of oil and gas development, including fracking, a key pillar of Trump’s quest to achieve U.S. “energy dominance” in the global market.

Wright has been one of the industry’s loudest voices against efforts to fight climate change, and could give fossil fuels a boost, including quick action to end a year-long pause on natural gas export approvals by the Biden administration.

Frequently criticising what he calls a “top-down” approach to climate by liberal and left-wing groups, Wright has argued that the climate movement around the world is “collapsing under its own weight.” He has never served in government, but has written that more fossil fuel production is needed around the globe to lift people out of poverty."
Yep. A great pick. It is Energy Secretary, not Climate Change Secretary, after all.
 
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I think this pilot has some clout on this forum for his level headed takes. He has a discussion on the bomb cyclone that is about to hit the PNW.


Pilots need to be acutely aware of weather. He says there is nothing unusual about the current weather. What is really interesting is that he mentioned what it used to be called, the Pineapple Express. These types of language changes cause "researchers" to think everything is unprecedented because their meta analysis doesn't account for the terminology shift.
 
Greg -

Yes, these are the quotes that demonstrate the false hype / hysteria related to climate change. That was 24 years ago.

We also had the "world will end in 12 years" comment from AOC. That was 6 years ago. I don't think world CO2 emissions have gone down, have they? Yet, we don't appear to be any closer to the end of the world than we were back then.

 
CO2 continues to gently rise, as it has for 140 years, making directly detecting the CO2 signal in the climate record very difficult, since temperatures are also rising as we come out of the Little Ice Age. Even worse, many other anthropogenic inputs to the climate system follow a similar curve to CO2, so often we are seeing CO2+other stuff, rather than the pure effect of CO2. Even worser, a fair bit of the temperature rise we see is due to the urban heat island effect, partly because terrestrial thermometers are often in or near cities or airports (this where the scare stories of 'record high temperature in UK yesterday' usually comes from). To be fair, the UHI is detectable from satellites, so it does get correctly accounted for in the satellite record.

The fundamental reason we don't see much effect from this 1.5 degree rise other than in conurbations is that most of the warming is in the Arctic, which is a long way from my backyard. The scary stuff is predicted from models, and as para 1 explained, calibrating them is going to be a statistical nightmare. If they were based on physics and so on then they wouldn't correlate, as we simply don't know enough, yet, but at least they wouldn't be just made up from the whole cloth. As someone or other said with 4 variables I can draw an elephant, with 5 I can waggle his trunk. https://www.eng-tips.com/threads/curve-fitting-an-elephant.435848/
 
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GregLocock: Even worse, many other anthropogenic inputs to the climate system follow a similar curve to CO2, so often we are seeing CO2+other stuff, rather than the pure effect of CO2
Yeah, my Dad was a prominent "Energy Economist" for much of his career. In his retirement years, he made Global Warming his area of interest. In particular, he talked about this concept. He was talking specifically about "atmospheric carbon" which skyrocketed during the industrial revolution, but has since gone down due to tighter environmental regulations on coal power plant emissions and such. But, I'd add in the effects of natural gas, CFCs, and all kinds of other pollutants (or human caused) emissions.

It's kind of amusing that the international community is so focused on CO2..... Like what do you really think you can do about CO2 emissions world wide? It might be considered virtuous for individual wealthy countries to reduce their CO2 emissions. But, that's not going to have a major effect worldwide as more and more 2nd and 3rd world countries are using fossil fuels to raise their populations out of poverty.
 

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