Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIV 1

[dik]

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Things are Starting to Warm Up. - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hottest-city-earth-mothers-bear-brunt-climate-change-2022-06-14/ a sign of things to come... hold on to your hats, folks. [pipe] Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any...

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Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

For earlier thread, see thread1618-496010 So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates -Dik

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Things are Starting to Warm Up Part III - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part V - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up Part VI - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VII - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part VIII - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part IX - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part X - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XI - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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Things are Starting to Heat Up - Part XIII - Climate Change Engineering Solutions

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[BridgeSmith]

Problem is that the IPCC says it has low confidence that there is any connection between global warming and any change in hurricanes, and as I've posted many times, there's no trend in the graphs.

This makes sense, since it is temperature differential that primarily drives hurricane formation and strengthening, not overall increases in temperature.

 

[Brian Malone]

The proliferation new descriptions has not helped: 'bomb cyclone' for a storm that has a rapid drop in barometric pressure has a better sound for news stories and every news outlet is hungering to get eyes so the copy is pumped with superlatives and 'unprecedented this' or 'unprecedented that' . . . When many coastal/watershed areas were unpopulated or considered waste land swamps there probably 'unprecedented' intensity storms that just did not have a significant impact on humans. I cannot stand watching the Weather Channel type broadcasts. They hype the coverage to a sporting event/paegent fever. Storms are natural events and are only human diasters.

 

[TugboatEng]

The problem is that temperature does not represent the quantity of energy. If a climatologist ever makes the enthalpy connection I'll buy into their movement. At STP there is nearly 4x difference in energy between 0% humidity and 100%.

 

[GregLocock]

A heat engine must be driven by the delta between hot and cold reservoirs. Since the Arctic has been warming more than the tropics it seems unlikely that at least at a hemispherical level there is more energy going into the atmosphere.

 

[dik]

This could get interesting...

"The case put before the International Court of Justice will be the largest in its history and is likely to help vulnerable nations fight the devastating impact of global warming.

After years of lobbying by island nations who fear they could simply disappear under rising sea waters, the U.N. General Assembly asked the International Court of Justice last year for an opinion on “the obligations of States in respect of climate change.”

“We want the court to confirm that the conduct that has wrecked the climate is unlawful,” Margaretha Wewerinke-Singh, who is leading the legal team for the Pacific island nation of Vanuatu, told The Associated Press.

In the decade up to 2023, sea levels have risen by a global average of around 4.3 centimetres, with parts of the Pacific rising higher still. The world has also warmed 1.3 degrees Celsius since pre-industrial times because of the burning of fossil fuels."

UN to open landmark climate change court case in The Hague

The United Nations' top court will open hearings on Monday into what countries worldwide are legally required to do to combat climate change.

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[dik]

Since the Arctic has been warming more than the tropics it seems unlikely that at least at a hemispherical level there is more energy going into the atmosphere.

This can change circulation patterns (ocean and atmosphere) with even more interesting effects.

 

[TugboatEng]

Welp, time to abolish the UN.

 

[GregLocock]

Talking of islands vanishing under the sea, surveys find that the atolls are in general growing not sinking. But you knew that, you just declined to mention it. The Maldives are building 7 new runways.

 

[GregLocock]

Hurricanes

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Greg -

Good graph of those hurricanes. Looks difficult to make any conclusions from such a graph. But, I suppose that's the point. I will say, however, that there could be a pinching between the two types of hurricanes listed. Meaning that maybe we're getting STRONGER hurricanes, though not necessarily more of them.

 

[Compositepro]

The only trend that I can see is linear and flat.

 

[GregLocock]

Yes i thought it was a good way of presenting the data.The methodology used has been fairly stable over that period, that's why there is only 44 years of history there.

One trick I like to do is to split historical series into a first half and a last half, and then use Student's t test to see if there is any statistically valid difference between them. Incidentally if the climate enthusiasts had an ounce of statistical knowledge between them they could have disproved 'The Pause' in about 10 minutes. But it was fun. This avoids the problem with eyeballing a trend, or indeed the rather annoying tendency for a linear regression to get thrown off by a few outliers near one end or the other. That is why on proper linear regression trends the 95% confidence lines have the shape they do


I'll see if I can dig the data up. (No, it is compiled from many files, I'm not that interested)

Here's the abstract of the paper it was pulled from

Tropical cyclone accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) has exhibited strikingly large global interannual variability during the past 40-years. In the pentad since 2006, Northern Hemisphere and global tropical cyclone ACE has decreased dramatically to the lowest levels since the late 1970s. Additionally, the frequency of tropical cyclones has reached a historical low. Here evidence is presented demonstrating that considerable variability in tropical cyclone ACE is associated with the evolution of the character of observed large-scale climate mechanisms including the El Nino Southern Oscillation and Pacific Decadal Oscillation. In contrast to record quiet North Pacific tropical cyclone activity in 2010, the North Atlantic basin remained very active by contributing almost one-third of the overall calendar year global ACE.

https://climatlas.com/tropical/maue_grl_2011.pdf

 

[dik]

"For the first time in recorded history, downtown San Francisco was included in a tornado warning on Saturday as severe storms swept through the city, just one week after a tsunami warning triggered widespread panic in the region.

The National Weather Service in the San Francisco Bay Area did not find evidence of a tornado after a survey. The damage instead was consistent with straight line winds up to 80 mph “across the Richmond District and Golden Gate Park areas.

Although there was rotation on radar at the time to trigger the warning, the damage does not suggest a tornado touchdown. National Weather Service meteorologists document the severity and direction in which damage falls to make this determination."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/us/san-francisco-tornado-warning/index.html

 

[BridgeSmith]

So the wind blew in SF? Whoopee! Does that prove something? Other than CNN's desperation to make something out of nothing?

 

[TugboatEng]

They got a warning but there was no tornado. It seems the new trend is to issue weather alerts to drive the paranoia.

With that said, there have been multiple tornadoes in the greater bay area that I know of. Two between Corallitos and Watsonville, they knocked over the same shed twice in two years. One in a family members yard in Sacramento. It messed up their above ground pool a bit. There was a big one in Sunnyvale that damaged 50 houses. And then one this weekend in Scotts Valley.

There are documented incidences of Tornadoes in every state within the United States, including Hawaii.

Looks like dik is grasping at his straws as usual.

 

[dik]

Looks like dik is grasping at his straws as usual.

Like chaff in the wind... interesting in that they had never recorded one... might be a sign of the future.

 

[SwinnyGG]

Like chaff in the wind... interesting in that they had never recorded one... might be a sign of the future.

No it isn't. Good lord.

San Francisco proper has had tornadoes before - many times. One hit actual downtown San Francisco in 2005.

Know what the difference was between then and now? They didn't issue a warning in 2005 because weather radar resolution at that time didn't show rotation in the storm system, which is a prerequisite for a tornado warning.

Your approach to this conversation, which at this point has gone on for more than 2 years, is embarrassing, dude. You're the climate version of enginesrus. Post some random, unsubstantiated BS, and when confronted about it make vague claims that 'you're just asking questions' and 'we'll just have to see what happens'.

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself and you're making a serious dent in the intellectual quality of this forum.

 

[dik]

Court Challenge:

"Montana's Supreme Court has upheld a lower court's decision that had sided with 16 young activists who argued that the state violated their right to a clean environment.
The lawsuit was brought by students arguing that a state law banning the consideration of climate when choosing energy policy was unconstitutional.
In a 6-to-1 ruling, the top court found that the plaintiffs, between ages five and 22, had a "fundamental constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment".
Wednesday's ruling came after a district court's decision last year was appealed by the state. Similar climate lawsuits are ongoing across the US but this is first of its kind a from a state supreme court.

The lawsuit targeted a 2011 state law that made it illegal for environmental reviews to consider climate impacts when deciding on new projects, like building new power plants."

Montana Supreme Court upholds landmark youth climate ruling

The ruling finds that youth have a "fundamental constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment".

www.bbc.com

 

[TugboatEng]

Right, courts are experts on these things. Would you want a court making decisions about beam connections in one of your designs?

 

[GregLocock]

Pity they didn't try that on in China, they'd have found out first hand what it is like to be a slave building solar panels.

China uses Uyghur forced labour to make solar panels, says report

A report says 45% of the world's supply of a key panel component is obtained by a system of coercion.

www.bbc.com