Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV 9

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

As far as a couple of degrees, we'll have to wait and find out... it's likely less of an impact where I live, but it could be problematic for millions of others...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

It's only Florida... and there is something in their water, anyway... but there are likely a couple of other states that are low lying and could be affected.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

... the Europeans coming over committed one of the first biological genocides by infecting and killing off a large number of the inhabitants.

Seriously? Were they supposed to wait for vaccines before making contact with the new world?

Dik, think about what you have said.

 

[Tomfh]

The human race has thrived over the past 400 feet of sea level rise. Why should I be so concerned by 7 more feet?

Yeah, and it's rising regardless.

 

[dik]

I did, tug... you should get out more. I was surprised that you knew about Beringia and not the genocide. They came across from a frigid climate across the Bering land bridge and weren't exposed the the diseases that Europe had, and didn't have the antibodies... The Europeans brought over Smallpox and a host of other diseases that they had not encountered... killed them by the millions... I understand the population was in excess of 15 million, prior to the arrival of the Europeans.

"Although it is impossible to quantify with any certainty the impact of European contact on New World populations, estimates of the pre-contact population of the Americas have ranged from 8 to 30 million. Between 1492 and 1650 the Native American population may have declined by as much as 90% as the result of virgin-soil epidemics (outbreaks among populations that have not previously encountered the disease), compound epidemics, crop failures and food shortages."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/scienc...aps/impact-european-diseases-native-americans

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

You talk like the Europeans we're responsible for introducing the diseases... maliciously.

Was it the Europeans fault for coming from the East or the early Americans fault for coming from the West?

Perhaps we should stop blaming people for things beyond their control?

 

[dik]

You are reading more into it than I intended... diseases were not understood 'back then'... it was a non-intended consequence, but it happened. There may be a few of these coming up in the future.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Maybe we should have isolated the Americas like we do the Sentinelese? What is your end game?

 

[dik]

No end game... I'm just an observer. I can see serious problems on the horizon and no one seems to be the least bit interested... My tagline, borrowed from my son pretty much sums it up... More news:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/14/q-a-with-kim-stanley-robinson-00050340

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

No one is interested? Why should they be? It's likely to have minimal impact on most of our lives. Ironic metallurgist/brimmer seems to be he only person negatively affected by climate change.

 

[dik]

Just wait tug... it will take a little more time to see what really happens. There is really very little that the ordinary person can do to alleviate the coming, whatever...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

didn't the returning Spanish bring syphilis with them ? tit for tat ??

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[rb1957]

ok, 14,000 yeas ago, ok, pre-historic ... yes, yes sealevel rose to close land bridges. But that was due to some step change in the polar icecaps, no?

possibly the source of the globally distributed "flood" stories ?

I apologise for being lazy ... what was the temp (and CO2 ?) in that time period ... say 20,000 to 10,000 BCE.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

rb...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

More news on the horizon... time to pay the piper?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...as-Wisconsin-live-extreme-heat-belt-2053.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

One observation about that graph dik is that the CO2 levels rise abruptly and then taper off. Geological record may not be responsive enough to catch the magnitude of the spike if it's duration was short. It's only during the current spike that we have had sensitive instruments.

 

[rb1957]

thx dik. so during this sealevel change, CO2 was "quite low" ... so not due to high temps (and melting ice caps) ?

My point is I think the NASA 4" in 30 years (due to temperature change) is not borne out is the real world. I've seen many tidal gauges which have been "quite" static.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[Tomfh]

Dik, there’s a good reason why they don’t extend the CO2 graph back further than that. If they do, the current CO2 levels look fairly modest in comparison.

 

[GregLocock]

You are cutting pasting different instruments with different time constants together to get that CO2 record. Also an honest organisation would have started from 0 on the y axis to put things in proportion (oldest trick in the marketing book).

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[dik]

If you take a gander back about 20 million years... 4 times longer than people on earth it's still lower, but who's counting:

Greg... it doesn't matter what the starting point is, the graph clearly shows there is an increase. What it doesn't tell you is what is the difference between 350 ppm and 400 ppm... It's not a marketting trick... Are they trying to sell 'global warming'? Just look out the window and see the effects.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik