Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV 9

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

Marxists everywhere now. You’re just about frothing at the mouth Tug, maybe an excess of Tucker? Cause you’re pretty much channeling him.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

How about you try to respond to the other posts about climate change and stop trying to make this about yourself?

 

[Guest102023]

Paranoia strikes deep…

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[rb1957]

"I trust the experts to take all the complicating factors into account and provide a reasonable, unbiased, non-politicized estimate of the direction and rate of change."

ok, I don't. Mostly because this is a highly politicised. I think there's way too much consensus and not enough challenging.

As you say "the science is decided" (let's make sure the experiments agree with the conclusion)

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[Guest102023]

I don’t think I’ve ever said "the science is decided". What I’ve consistently said is that the model so far agrees with the reality and has predicted the broad trend toward hotter, dryer environment in many places, as well as more extreme, less predictable weather events. We don’t need to wait for fully settled science to know there’s a problem and that we need to act fast. I’ve tried to illuminate using dumb analogies (but evidently not dumb enough).

If you insist the science is crooked, the problem is yours and I can’t help. There’s no discussing with conspiracy theorists.



"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

The real problem here, I think is that we are in totally new territory, and things can go in different ways, likely including some that haven't been developed, yet. Just because we don't know the end result, is no reason to ignore the causes and to not act on trying to remedy them. Just looking at current climate, things could get really rough... can you imagine the American southwest without hydro to power their air conditioners when temperatures soar to 40C. I forgot to add, with the Colorado River,drying up. It's not going to be pretty. It may not happen, but it appears to be moving in that direction. As I said, we are in new territory, and it may get ugly.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

less predictable weather events. We don’t need to wait for fully settled science to know there’s a problem and that we need to act fast.

If the models are correct shouldn't these events become more predictable?

Don't wait for the science to be fully settled! Invest now before it's too late! You sound like an insurance salesman.

I don't think you've been dumbing things down for us, you're operating at your own maximum capacity and it just isn't good enough. Do you use analogies when explaining weld composition to colleagues? I doubt they appreciate that.

 

[dik]

Tug... the problems are too complex. Can you even imagine the effects of the Gulf Stream slowing and stopping and what effects that would have on European climate (not weather)? The arctic is warming and the permafrost will likely release the stored metbane; can you tell me what the effect of that is? or if the Jet Stream moves permanently north? These are only some of the possibilities and new ones seem to keep popping up. Just the earlier article about effect on health and diseases...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Ideally, we adapt.

 

[1503-44]

Yes. That's it. But do we adapt physically, like raise our body temperature tolerance, or geographically, like nomads, move to Alaska, NWT, Greenland, Siberia, Anartica, or move our cities to higher ground, let some just sink (didn't we try that with NO but it only cost more), or technologically, like CO2 capture, nore nuclear plants, build tidal dams, more air conditioning, etc, etc. Lastly, doing nothing.


BTW Do we have cost estimates for all of those options? Could doing nothing have the highest cost of all? Becoming extinct?

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[Guest102023]

Feedback loops, dik

It was covered in engineering school, but I guess some are choosing to disbelieve it.

Denial is by a choice, not a position reached through observation and reasoning. You know, the building blocks of science.


"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

It appears mass extinctions may be good for the planet earth... we may get our wish...

https://www.livescience.com/sixth-mass-extinction-underway

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

feedback loops... a fundamental part of cybernetics... just can't seem to get away from that.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Maybe the Brits will be able to leave their 'dundershoots' at home from now on?

https://news.sky.com/story/drought-expected-to-be-declared-in-the-south-west-tomorrow-12670509

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022...s-are-drying-up-in-the-climate-driven-drought

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Perhaps a good sign... or maybe redistributing the carbon. To improve, there has to be a massive reduction in fossil fuels.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...and-Carbon-Capture-And-Hydrogen-Capacity.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Crop rotation, as noted earlier, may become a thing of the future:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08...-to-reduce-greenhouse-gas-emissions/101321302

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

I don’t know dik,
allowing farmers do things like save seeds and care for the soil and sell locally sounds like radical capitalism hating to me.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

1503, they're only talking 4°C as a worst case. I think our bodies can handle that.

Brimmer, we never used the term "feedback loop". That was a term coined by non-engineers to describe "closed loop". The problem is that they don't know what the output is so they can't call their loop closed.

 

[dik]

The hot spells are a consequence of 1C... who knows what 4C will bring... likely nothing very good.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

brims... can you keep the politics out of it? It's part of the problem due to the governments' inaction... but affects capitalists and socialists in the same fashion.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik