Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV 9

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[dik]

rb... some areas there is an upthrust... Manitoba is slowly 'lifting' due to a mile or so of Pleistocene glaciation, 20,000 years back. It just complicates a really complex model a bit.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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[rb1957]

I do wonder that we can measure mm changes in "sealevel" (thinking of waves and tides and such) from an orbit several hundred kilometers high.

It's be interesting to see their data reduction algorithm. I wonder if it includes a "self fulfilling prophesy" ?

And they say they correlated with tidal meters ? Ok, but I've seen several that don't show 4" increase since 1990 ... ok, maybe its my several verse their thousands of others ?

It would be interesting to see if they had tidal meter data at the same location and time as their satellite.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

If the rise becomes more than mm, it could get real interesting. They're indicating that it may be more than a few mm.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[1503-44]

I don't think level measurement sensitivity is the problem. The ice is melting 2x as fast and Antartica contains 80%. Its going to go somewhere. Not likely down.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[dik]

1503... That's what I was thinking. More news about something closer to home, the arctic:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ur-times-faster-rest-world-study-reveals.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

they're measuring things in "mm" ... I didn't mean they were predicting one mm of rise.

They say the average has risen 100mm in 20 years.

I expect their data is very noisy, so I wonder how they analyzed it.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

Don't know, but recently posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVb0zNTnGBk

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

ok, so the news have picked up the NASA story ... "big deal"

they show "high tide flooding events" for 2000, then predicted for 2050 ... no data for 2020 ? 2010 ??
Ok, I waited through the whole thing ... ok, a prediction for 2022 ... we're 1/2 way thru, how are we trending ?

4" sealevel rise (in 30 years) should be very detectable on tide meters ... is it shown there ?

Of course the news shrilly echo the NASA report. That's what passes for investigative journalism thee days.
It would've been interesting to see how local tide gauges compared to predictions from teh report. How did they convert the report (of sealevel rise) into High Tide Flooding Events ?

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[rb1957]

that chart (of average sealevel rise) looks awfully similar to the CO2 level charts from Mt ? in Hawaii.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[TugboatEng]

These climate change models are like communism. They never work.

 

[dik]

Take a look out your window... nearly on a daily basis, something major is happening. The models may not be precise (or even work) but something is happening. Just because the model is faulty, it does't invalidate the effects of climate change. There is daily anecdotal evidence and it will likely get a lot worse since no one is addressing the problem. Keep politics out of this; the world is in this mess because of unfettered capitalism.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

I look out my window and see a cooler than average summer. What has changed is that you're now getting the weather report from France and Australia as well. When you look at the world as a whole, there will always be an extreme weather event going on somewhere. The climate Evangelists have figured this out and are using it to paint a picture. Perhaps we should go back to looking out of our own window.

 

[1503-44]

Yeah. That's it!

I have just one remaining question though. Why are the extremes getting more extreme. What's the talking point for that? It was 100 F in London and over 100 for just about everywhere in Spain last week. Maybe; yes;, of course; the big solar flare hit us. Or was it Elon's rocket motor tests.

Took a load off my mind, that did. Phew!

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[dik]

Yeah... that's it, the extremes are getting more extreme. Not only that, they are getting more extreme more often, and not just marginal increases... the increases are getting greater. It's going to be interesting to see what the future holds, if these extremes keep getting more and more extreme. Something to ponder...

More news:

https://www.thelocal.fr/20220811/in-pictures-french-drought-intensifies-loire-dries-up/

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ouge-tsanfleuron-glacier-melts-climate-crisis

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/video-dry-spanish-reservoirs-hit-rock-bottom-in-drought/

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[1503-44]

It was so hot in London TFL told everyone that could to stay home.
Rail service was shut down over a number of UK regions due to rail buckling, or extreme danger thereof.

One high speed route in Spain closed, but that was due to somebody stealing the fibre optical cable. Probably needed money to buy an AC unit.

But he's right. If you're surrounded by water (SF), or live on the cloudy side of a small island with 100s of km of Atlantic water, it's quite comfortable. My window is open too. That's my entire HVAC system. Winter and summer.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[rb1957]

"Just because the model is faulty, it doesn't invalidate the effects of climate change." ... sorry, but (IMHO) of course it does. We have (IMHO) little idea about the interactions in the environment, we keep getting surprised by things when we go looking (oh look, here's a natural source of free Cl molecules in the south pole, possibly the source of the free CL molecules at altitude, and not our CFCs).

Sure we can say that humans are impacting the natural environment (of course we are), in so many ways. The only way to stop is to "stop" ... but then removing ourselves from the system is changing the system. I agree ... ignoring our impact on nature is something we do at our peril. I agree that capitalism is flawed ('cause there is no way to determine the true cost of anything, only the price we're willing to pay). But capitalism is still the best mechanism for allocating resources between alternatives.

"Keep politics out of this" ... sorry, that's impossible.

"... unfettered capitalism" ... sorry, you don't want to see unfettered capitalism ! (think of late 1800s, early 1900s Victorian or US "robber barons") What we have today is quite fettered capitalism, with all the government interference, and government interference means politics. The most we can hope is that this interference is heading in the right direction, eg cleaning up pollution, requiring anti-polluting (or pollution reducing) devices.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[1503-44]

The economies back then did not have the same capability to do damage at the scale possible today, although they tried their hardest.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[GregLocock]

I thought the sea level one was interesting. The sea is rising mostly in the middle of oceans. While I suppose this means ships use more fuel to climb the hill, it scarcely seems worth worrying about. Sure, the east coast of the USA is seeing some actual sea level rise, as well as land level fall, but the latter is far more significant.

The hot spot near Sydney looks exciting, but of course there's that very annoying photo of the tide gage in Sydney Harbour, which demonstrates that local sea levels haven't shifted much.

Anyway 3mm per year, 1 ft in a century, mostly in mid ocean. Averages, ya gotta love them.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[rb1957]

that was my recollection too.

it was also my understanding that most of the sealevel rise (as small as it has been) would be due to the change in volume as the sea water warms up (rather than melting glaciers).

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[Guest102023]

Was anyone expecting sea level rise to be a simple thing to measure? It was just as complicated before AGW.

I trust the experts to take all the complicating factors into account and provide a reasonable, unbiased, non-politicized estimate of the direction and rate of change. There is also the effect of warming water on sea level rise.

But instead of trying to do their jobs or second guess them from our keyboards, why don’t we just ask the folks in Venice, Florida, and Pacific islands what they are seeing?

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"