Things are Starting to Warm Up Part III 6

[dik]

For earlier thread, see

thread1618-496010: Things are Starting to Warm Up.
thread1618-496614: Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

There may be this and other alternatives to high speed travel that may become viable.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...ic-tube-soon-to-operate-in-canada-194637.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I would suggest both and as brims notes, the longer we put it off, the worse it may be.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

sorry brim, added quotes for emphasis.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

I would suggest you are incorrect, else the governments would be working on this now.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I disagree... we are totally 'in new territory'.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Comparitively, Castro is a mouse. Turdeau was one of the worst prime ministers Canada had, and junior is not far off... I liked Margolis' article on PET. "...it's not good to speak ill of the dead, but sometimes it's necessary."

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

The two are somewhat unrelated other than an increase in the ozone layer 'opening' will increase the 'heat' on the planet. The two are part of the problem in their own distinct way. I understand that the increase in CFC is a 'carry over' from insulation and refrigeration that occurred largely before the Montreal protocols kicked in. Although a problem, I think the CFC are a really minor part at this time and only cloud the issue of climate change... a 'red herring' so to say.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

It's interesting that they don't think rising sea level is much of a problem for the continental US...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

You missed the point. R-134a (now defunct as well) uses 15% more energy than R-12 to do the same work. Therefore, banning CFC increases CO2 emissions.

 

[dik]

No... they are two somewhat separate issues, and non-CFC material is a lot more costly. With any attempt to reduce the carbon footprint, you have to be really careful with unintended consequences.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

I think TBE's point is that the refrigerant was changed to address the ozone problem, and had in incidental effect of increasing CO2 emissions.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[Guest102023]

dik,

If we insist on sea level rise then I’d like to see us halt it just at the point where Mar a Lago is under water.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Guest102023]

rb1957,

Classic distraction. Eliminating a directly harmful pollutant has far greater priority than the CO2 increase resulting from the fix, as you correctly state. Clearly refrigeration and A/C contribute to emissions, but a percentage increase there is not very much of the total carbon picture. Anyway refrigeration probably gives a net carbon reduction by greatly reducing food spoilage, thereby reducing demand on the very carbon intensive ag industry.

TBE,

You need to disabuse yourself of the obviously false notion that the mitigations to carbon emissions will create more carbon emissions than the problem they are designed to fix. Seriously, it’s fake news. We are talking about one-time infrastructure changes, compared to continuous ongoing FF burning.



"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

The one time changes are happening concurrently with our consumption of fossil fuels so they can only contribute on top of the CO2 we are already producing.

 

[rb1957]

@brim ... I don't think anyone is attempting a distraction, just an observation.

Please, let it rest.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

Tug... I've updated my tome, above... it's still a work in progress.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

It's a start, but it might not stop there.

I've never seen the Donald as so much of a problem but as a symptom of a much bigger problem that no one seems to recognise.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Yes, but compared to the other sources, fossil fuels, the additional amount caused by CFC reduction was small. The problem with CFCs is that they act as a catalyst and continue to affect the ozone layer. They are not readily depleted.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

CFCs may be a bit of a 'red herring'... but they are a part of the overall problem of climate change, nonetheless.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

That's one of the big problems on the horizon... the cures have to be better than the illness... can occur with a number of things: nuclear, solar power, wind power, storage batteries, and probably a host of others.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik