Things are Starting to Warm Up Part III 6

[dik]

For earlier thread, see

thread1618-496010: Things are Starting to Warm Up.
thread1618-496614: Things are Starting to Warm Up Part II

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Dik, you can't say your last part definitively. We have already proven that climate change has happened after within human history and without human influence.

 

[hokie66]

Dik has swallowed the “settled science” line. No argument allowed.

 

[Guest102023]

TBE,
Each of your silly accusations rebounds back at you.
It’s the same with Drumpf and truth: the opposite of what he says is a very reliable guide.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

Tug... yes there are changes... there was a posting above that showed the temperatures reached beyond the pre-industrial period have a factor of 1:10,000 of being 'natural' For the benefit of those that missed it:

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...at-extremely-unlikely-without-climate-change/

I'm pretty sure it's definitive... the guy has to do some reading...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

When the anecdotal evidence starts refuting climate change, I'll post those, too and re-evaluate my position... not there, yet, Hokie.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Dik, how do you explain the more rapid sea level rise over the past 17k years vs today? If you saw my links about Noah, Robert Ballard said his house in Connecticut was under a mile of ice less than 20k years ago.

Remember, the same people that tell you climate change is an existential threat are the same ones that told you COVID vaccines prevent infection and now COVID rebound is rare despite both Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden experiencing rebound events. You have questionable sources.

 

[rb1957]

of the two groups around today (those who support ACC and those who don't), in 50 years one group will say to other "told you so". which I don't know.

And now we hear that climate scientists, in their coffee clutches, mutter to each other that it's much worse than they're allowed to say. So the IPCC is reigning in the climate scientists ... not what I understand.

So then there is no hope of a solution. Several climate scientists believe (AIUI) that we're already past the tipping point. We "obviously" can't stop burning FFs today, right? (not without killing about 90% of the world's population). So then lets just carry on carrying on.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[enginesrus]

dik, I guess you have never heard the term geo engineering? That would make a good study.

 

[Tomfh]

So the IPCC is reigning in the climate scientists

The IPCC has always sought out climate scientists who show climate change in clear and simple terms . We saw the inner working of that process with ‘Climategate’. Researchers tailoring their research to meet the IPCCs need for clear compelling evidence of climate change.

 

[hokie66]

Dik, the problem with your approach to “anecdotal evidence” is that hot or cold, wet or dry, flood or drought, green or brown, cloudy or clear; it all supports your view. We do all realise that the climate changes, and it always has and always will.

 

[Guest102023]

Dik has swallowed the “settled science” line. No argument allowed

Yeah, we should wait until we hit the brick wall at maximum speed before putting on the brakes.

Living up to your handle with every post hokie

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Guest102023]

Let’s just stop dismissing news reports of increasingly catastrophic events as ‘anecdotal’. Data is science. No one ever said that any one weather was ‘predicted’ by the model, but scientists have been saying over and over to expect more severe events more frequently, and that is exactly what we are seeing. Try to wrap your heads around the idea that they are predicting greater unpredictability.

hokie I see you’re falling back on the hoary old chestnut ‘climate has always been changing’. Didn’t major in any of logic, philosophy, or common sense, did you?



"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Tomfh]

saying over and over to expect more severe events more frequently, and that is exactly what we are seeing.

Ok, a couple of examples from Australia.

1. The 2019/2020 bushfires

2. The 2021/2022 Hawkesbury floods.

I have heard countless voices attribute these to climate change. Scientists, The media, politicians, lay people. Yet I haven’t seen anyone put forward any stats indicating they are in fact statistically anomalous. The historical fire data and flood data doesn’t show them as anomalous. Yet we are assured they are completely unprecedented. We’re told the evidence is undeniable.

So what exactly is it in these fires and floods, which as of yet are not statistically anomalous, that is “exactly” as climate change predicts?

 

[Guest102023]

Should have included statistical analysis in that list of missing majors, which to be fair will always be a list in progress.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[dik]

The ice melt from the Pleistocene glaciation... and it's continuing. There are still a few areas with glaciers still left. It has however accelerated. I should have added that southern Manitoba, where I live, had over a mile of ice. Winnipeg is founded on approx 40' of laclustrine clay depositied by Glacial Lake Agassiz. The soil is 'springing up' still from all the ice to about 4" per century, if memory serves. Catch the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQy-kWZQvno

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

We have no idea of how this will 'shake out'; we are in new territory. World governments have failed to act.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I've heard of geoengineering... just not much about any of their actions or any of their proposals...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I'd like to see some that didn't; can you post some?

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

brims... Quit it!

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

If they were common and not anomalous, I don't think they would have produced the following?:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53899916.amp

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik